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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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Trans and engine stuck

I bought a class 7 desert racer project that has a 22ret and the heavy duty R151 (?) trans. We pulled the motor today because I'm going to go though it and convert it back to non turbo.
Anyway, my problem is this, we can't get the engine and trans seperated.
Its past the dowels in the motor, but now it just seems stuck.

Is there something I'm missing? This isn't my first overhaul, but it is my first Toyota, so thanks in advance.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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I'm guessing the pilot bearing is frozen to the input shaft.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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If the dowels are out there is nothing else.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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yeah might need to break out the towstrap lol
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by InternetRoadkill
I'm guessing the pilot bearing is frozen to the input shaft.
I think you nailed it. getting even pressure on the bell housing to pull it apart would be really nice. maybe some of those clamps that can be used for prying apart aswell as clamping? (mini high-lift jacks?)
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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I think you nailed it. getting even pressure on the bell housing to pull it apart would be really nice. maybe some of those clamps that can be used for prying apart aswell as clamping? (mini high-lift jacks?)
I've had that happen to me on an old Volvo station wagon (worst car I ever owned). The pilot bearing failed and welded itself to the input shaft. The bearing then spun and fused to the crank. I spent the better part of a day trying to get the tranny off the back of the engine.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by InternetRoadkill
I've had that happen to me on an old Volvo station wagon (worst car I ever owned). The pilot bearing failed and welded itself to the input shaft. The bearing then spun and fused to the crank. I spent the better part of a day trying to get the tranny off the back of the engine.
how did you get it apart?
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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how did you get it apart?
Lots of colorful language, wooden blocks, a pry bar, and brute force.

Actually, if was smarter then, I should have tied a hand winch to the output flange and the rear axle and just winched the bugger out. Those 2-ton hand winches are really handy.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by InternetRoadkill
Lots of colorful language, wooden blocks, a pry bar, and brute force.

Actually, if was smarter then, I should have tied a hand winch to the output flange and the rear axle and just winched the bugger out. Those 2-ton hand winches are really handy.
Yeah I was actually thinking of the pry bar thing first, I just wanted to think of a better way to do it before resorting to that idea. hahahhahaha

The winch idea could work too, the only thing is that he already has the trans and motor pulled, so he would have to secure the motor some how to reef on it.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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Put a chain on the motors mounts and chain the block to something. Then chain to a tree or heavy vehicle with the winch. Just make sure everything is pulling in a straight line.
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by InternetRoadkill
Put a chain on the motors mounts and chain the block to something. Then chain to a tree or heavy vehicle with the winch. Just make sure everything is pulling in a straight line.
well if it was my truck, I would be doing it this way. tie it to the diesel truck, 4wheel low, first gear and let the clutch out. (that could go very badly) DON'T DO THAT !!!!! the come-a-long or hand winch would work fine. Good luck
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 08:15 AM
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Thanks for your help guys, I might take it to work and give pulling them apart a try there.
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HardCharger81
Thanks for your help guys, I might take it to work and give pulling them apart a try there.
good luck!
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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heat some THRUST ..NOT P.B BLAST not WD40 GET THRUST!!!! some pry bars BFH maybe a come along or winch... show that motor and tranny who does the
gosh darn driving!
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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Well, this thing was seized! We chained the engine and trans to 2 opposing forklifts and pulled. And after some scary noises, and some damage to the clutch, they came apart. Everything else seems good.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HardCharger81
Well, this thing was seized! We chained the engine and trans to 2 opposing forklifts and pulled. And after some scary noises, and some damage to the clutch, they came apart. Everything else seems good.
Hey that was kinda like my idea! hahaha. I am glad it came apart for you.
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