Pizza Cutters...
#101
Land Rover Camel Trophy in the Amazon. No one is using fat tires here in mud the likes of which I've never seen. I think this pretty much proves that pizza cutters are more than adequate in mud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91CtE6xHQ8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91CtE6xHQ8&NR=1
Now i will agree both have their strong points and i used to run 33x10.5 TSL's on my truck and had no problems. I prefer the look of 33x10.5's, kinda taller and not as squatty looking. For looks its more personal preference.
#102
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I tend to like the skinny(er) tires vs. the fat(er) tires. If I were to drive on snow or sand a lot I'd want more width.
As for everyone jumping down Belize off road teams throat at the beginning of this thread, I think that was pretty uncalled for since he didn't do anything but give an opinion in an obviously light hearted manner. I lost a little respect for some of you after reading how that went down.
As for me, I'd love to come down to Belize & experience that jungle paradise where the country speaks english, but I'd have to drive down on 10.5 width 31's & through Mexico at that, until Mexico let's me arm myself for the trip I'll have to look at pictures of Belize.
As for everyone jumping down Belize off road teams throat at the beginning of this thread, I think that was pretty uncalled for since he didn't do anything but give an opinion in an obviously light hearted manner. I lost a little respect for some of you after reading how that went down.
As for me, I'd love to come down to Belize & experience that jungle paradise where the country speaks english, but I'd have to drive down on 10.5 width 31's & through Mexico at that, until Mexico let's me arm myself for the trip I'll have to look at pictures of Belize.
#103
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your crazy if you think wider tires are better in the snow. "pizza cutters" out perform any wide tire in snow and mud, especially snow. why do you think these guys with huge ass bog trucks run skinny ass tractor tires? i live in new england, trust me when i say i went NOWHERE in the snow with my 12.50's which i hated. now i run 34x10.5's and i love the look and the performance. like previously stated everybody who likes wide tires only likes the look. i prefer performance over how my truck looks to everyone else.
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This thread is still going?
The only beef I have is when people jump out and make statements based on little to no experience in the arena, and come to the conclusion that something is inferior simply because they don't like how it looks. That bothers me.
Fortunately, there has been a lot of good discussion in this thread that makes several valid points concerning the use of wide tires vs. skinny.
Unfortunately, at the same time, people went off half-cocked as well.
Just another day at YT, I guess.
The only beef I have is when people jump out and make statements based on little to no experience in the arena, and come to the conclusion that something is inferior simply because they don't like how it looks. That bothers me.
Fortunately, there has been a lot of good discussion in this thread that makes several valid points concerning the use of wide tires vs. skinny.
Unfortunately, at the same time, people went off half-cocked as well.
Just another day at YT, I guess.
#105
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Well the physics are on paper & have been since the early days of WWII; the military did extensive studies on what tire/track would work in what. An example of that is why the ducks have adjustable tire pressure & oversize tires, they were designed specifically for landing on Iwo Jima's beaches. Disregard the math & the rest of the debate is personal choice. That going off on people for nothing & then having cheerleaders jump in like some sort of support group is Bull-Shemp.
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Point taken.
Math is important. But I hate math.
By the way, BrenJen, good quote. My mom's maiden name is Adams, and I've traced the lineage back to Samuel and John...
Math is important. But I hate math.
By the way, BrenJen, good quote. My mom's maiden name is Adams, and I've traced the lineage back to Samuel and John...
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From my experience 33x12.5 is a bit to large for the 86-95 toyota ifs, some make it work, but that's with some more mods. I always had steering and alignment issues, never did when I ran my 31x10.5. Although I have never actually ran 33x10.5 I'm sure they work just fine on ifs as those here have stated. Those with personally experience with these things have the best opinion, so listen to them.
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i know this is heated, but i have a question, i enjoy wheeling, but nothing major!, i am planning on getting a 4" lift, and wanted to run 33X12.5 before i read this. I like how the trucks look when they are lifted with big tires, but to achieve the tires sticking out a little since some people like that, would it be better to run a small wheel spacer with 33X10.5 than super wide tires?
Also with the steering breakage with wider tires, is that just with the exact steering from the factory? Mine has had the steering recall fixed already, do you guys think it would be fine with 33X12.5 in that situation??? If not what are some of the best mods to strengthen the ifs steering?
Thanks, sorry for the newbie question!
Also with the steering breakage with wider tires, is that just with the exact steering from the factory? Mine has had the steering recall fixed already, do you guys think it would be fine with 33X12.5 in that situation??? If not what are some of the best mods to strengthen the ifs steering?
Thanks, sorry for the newbie question!
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You should be ok with 33x12.50. There are many who run that size and do fine. Where you start seeing steering components fail is when the wheeling gets more aggressive.
As you can see in this thread, however, it tends to be a highly subjective argument.
As you can see in this thread, however, it tends to be a highly subjective argument.
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Okay, i mostly only do logging roads, some small hills, and mud, oh and snow, no rock crawling. Oh an when i 4x4 i take it easy because i learned from other people, i don't have the money to fix something major if it breaks. Thanks
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As far as damage from larger tires & lift I would listen to the people who have wheeled it. If they say it breaks stuff I'm in no position to argue & accept it at face value. Ike, T.C. & the rest of the Western U.S. guys seem to wheel their stuff hard so if they say "it'll break" or "it'll rub"; I listen.
As far as the way any combination looks; to each his own.
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If you don't have the money to regear, why spend it on lift? Throw some 33x10.50 on with NO lift and take the $1000 you would have spent on lift to the bank ...
#117
I've done a search and it appears BFG is the only mainstream tire company that sells all terrain pizza cutters. I am specifically looking at tires between 30x8.5 R15 to 33x9.5 R15. Anything else out there?
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With a bracket lift and the required backspacing to fit, would there be any issues of rub, from any of your experience? I'm leaning very hard towards a 10.50 for the next set, hoping that I would be able to line the tires up with the stock fender so I could take off the flares that are shot.
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Not that I found brother. I looked out of curiosity for some 33x10.5 & all I could get anywhere in that configuration was BFG A/T & they had to be ordered.