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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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high compression pistons in 22re

hey guys i was wondering if anyone on here has used high compression pistons in a 22re, like 10:5.1?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:11 PM
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yes what are your questions?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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well i was wondering if any one has had any problems running high compression pistons in there 22re, because i thought about running high compression instead of a turbo or supercharger. there much cheaper to
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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It's a viable option for more power.
If you have the factory knock sensor though, you'll probably find it more of a problem than help since when the factory sensor detects knock, your timing drops all the way back to base settings, which could be 5 BTDC or whatever you set as baseline. An aftermarket EMS can retard timing until knock stops so it doesn't usually end up with a sudden drop in power.
However, the stock ECU can maintain a proper fuel mixture as long as the O2 operates properly, the AFM and TPS are set properly, and the injectors operate well.
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
It's a viable option for more power.
If you have the factory knock sensor though, you'll probably find it more of a problem than help since when the factory sensor detects knock, your timing drops all the way back to base settings, which could be 5 BTDC or whatever you set as baseline. An aftermarket EMS can retard timing until knock stops so it doesn't usually end up with a sudden drop in power.
However, the stock ECU can maintain a proper fuel mixture as long as the O2 operates properly, the AFM and TPS are set properly, and the injectors operate well.
can't you relocate the sensor to fix that problem though? isn't that a common process when using hypereutectic pistons?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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do you think its worth trying or should i just rebuild the motor with stock compression?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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stock pistons are hypereutectic.
maybe you're thinking 'forged', which tend to be eutectic and expand more when heated than stock and thus knock more when cold.
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
stock pistons are hypereutectic.
maybe you're thinking 'forged', which tend to be eutectic and expand more when heated than stock and thus knock more when cold.
ah yes, sorry total brain lapse here, lol
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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do you think its worth trying or should i just rebuild the motor with stock compression?
higher compression will require tighter control over ignition timing (something the stock ignition system doesn't let you do), or maybe you'll have to run slightly less timing which negates the advantages of higher compression. That's not to say you can't integrate an MSD or other engine management system to help you out, but how much are you willing to do?

Overall, it's up to you. If you consistantly run high octane fuel, then maybe you can get away with more compression and get more power without detuning ignition advance.
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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a few years ago one of the members on Celica GTS forum tried running high compression pistons was unable to run the car on pump gas .

So more or less after getting Mega $$$ in a engine rebuild just sort of gave up after trying all sorts of ideas to fix the problem.

For what it is worth the 22rec is just not a high horsepower engine for the amount of money spent per horsepower gain .

Swap something else in if horse power is what you are looking for.

My 2 cents
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