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#424
I'm making progress...whether or not it is good...it sure feels good
#425
Is this right -> Crank Rod Clearance...2.0861-2.0866 <-Thats what my manuals says.
Now, I don't get it...why is it 2"+???
I'm sooo confused
Now, I don't get it...why is it 2"+???
I'm sooo confused
Last edited by 91Toyota; Jun 11, 2008 at 04:20 PM.
#426
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Seems to me they should have the specs in a Chilton's, but I wouldn't know. Don't have on for my Toyotas.
Anyway, the specs will be the cylinder block or service specs sections of the FSM. And, yes...the "flatter" the better.....to a degree. I mean, you don't want them overly tight, but you're obviously not going to have that problem....hehe.
Okay....I just looked it up under service specs.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...11services.pdf
Yours are just a hair under the passable limit..... ".0039 in.". Standard size is .0010-.0022 in. So, passable, but should replace them. Only makes sense at this point as, of course, they will only continue to wear.
I'll say you need new standard size bearings. Let see what Kirk has to say.
Oh, and take some pics of the plastigage on the journals so we can see the impression pattern, if you've not cleaned it off already.
Anyway, the specs will be the cylinder block or service specs sections of the FSM. And, yes...the "flatter" the better.....to a degree. I mean, you don't want them overly tight, but you're obviously not going to have that problem....hehe.
Okay....I just looked it up under service specs.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...11services.pdf
Yours are just a hair under the passable limit..... ".0039 in.". Standard size is .0010-.0022 in. So, passable, but should replace them. Only makes sense at this point as, of course, they will only continue to wear.
I'll say you need new standard size bearings. Let see what Kirk has to say.
Oh, and take some pics of the plastigage on the journals so we can see the impression pattern, if you've not cleaned it off already.
Last edited by thook; Jun 11, 2008 at 04:22 PM.
#427
Seems to me they should have the specs in a Chilton's, but I wouldn't know. Don't have on for my Toyotas.
Anyway, the specs will be the cylinder block or service specs sections of the FSM. And, yes...the "flatter" the better.....to a degree. I mean, you don't want them overly tight, but you're obviously not going to have that problem....hehe.
Okay....I just looked it up under service specs.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...11services.pdf
Yours are just a hair under the passable limit..... ".0039 in.". Standard size is .0010-.0022 in. So, passable, but should replace them. Only makes sense at this point as, of course, they will only continue to wear.
I'll say you need new standard size bearings. Let see what Kirk has to say.
Oh, and take some pics of the plastigage on the journals so we can see the impression pattern, if you've not cleaned it off already.
Anyway, the specs will be the cylinder block or service specs sections of the FSM. And, yes...the "flatter" the better.....to a degree. I mean, you don't want them overly tight, but you're obviously not going to have that problem....hehe.
Okay....I just looked it up under service specs.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...11services.pdf
Yours are just a hair under the passable limit..... ".0039 in.". Standard size is .0010-.0022 in. So, passable, but should replace them. Only makes sense at this point as, of course, they will only continue to wear.
I'll say you need new standard size bearings. Let see what Kirk has to say.
Oh, and take some pics of the plastigage on the journals so we can see the impression pattern, if you've not cleaned it off already.
Sorry that I'm such a pain in the @ss...this WAS pretty confusing...but its actually pretty easy
I will definitely replace them...we will see what Kirk says first though.
I will take some pics...although I wiped a couple off. They were pretty even though. I'll get some up later...thanks!!!
#429
yes, check the main bearings.
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
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my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
. my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
Last edited by abecedarian; Jun 11, 2008 at 04:58 PM.
#430
yes, check the main bearings.
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
.
my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
. my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
I will definitely do that then. It should theoretically bring them IN specs though...so it should work...lol
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yes, check the main bearings.
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
.
my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
lets see... yes, you are nearing the allowable maximum limit for clearance. I wouldn't expect them to go 200,000 miles though
. my opinion and what I would do... go get another set of bearings .0010" (one thousandth) oversized and plastigauge them. if they bring your clearance to less than .0010 use your old ones.
make sense?
What I mean is, if he went with standard that would bring him back well within tolerance.......tighter than what the clearances are now, yet not over or under.
Last edited by thook; Jun 12, 2008 at 02:20 PM.
#432
figures you'd ask that... 
before I go into that,
91Toyota- I need to ask where on the connecting rod and crank did the plastigauge get set for the measurment? was it on the piston side of the rod/bearing or was it under the cap?

before I go into that,
91Toyota- I need to ask where on the connecting rod and crank did the plastigauge get set for the measurment? was it on the piston side of the rod/bearing or was it under the cap?
#433
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Well, I can definitely see why you'd suggest oversized...if they'd fit, but I can't understand why you'd suggest reusing the old ones with the scoring and wear that's on them. New standard bearings would be a better choice that that.
#434
It was on the cap side. Or, the bottom...it would be hard doing it on the top...since there is like no way to see it
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The only alternative I know of is to gauge the crank journals with a micrometer and calculate from there. But, the bearings aren't THAT worn. Knowing that the crankshaft normally wears much less than bearings, I just have the feeling oversized won't fit. I'd be happy if I was wrong, though.
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Right! I didn't catch that one.