Gone Fission

Submerged chain type winch for a couple days in oil, still won't free up. Removed E clip, beat on it, no budge.

the171

cut the chain and make some kind of bolt in setup.

wyoming9

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You don`t say where you live But I have never had any of these work in the great Salt belt. At least 10 of mine plus the ones I heard about.

Then if you might get it working you want to be under there cranking it up and down about every 2 weeks at least .

Every one I know with a tire up there and has a flat either gets it towed home or gets a ride home to get another mounted tire .

Gone Fission

I'm in So Ill, lotta salt.
Are the newer cable type hoists any better?

RAD4Runner

What oil? PB BLaster? Tried Brake fluid?
Since you have a tuck (your profile photo), why not just put a bolt-in rack with lock in truck bed?

Gone Fission

Used motor oil.
will try brake fluid tonight.
Inside bed mount would be ok, rather have it out of sight and out of the way.

RAD4Runner

Yeah, used oil is too weak. PB Blaster or other formulation better. I also suggest you search forum. There was discussion about penetrating oil, hydraulic fluid, etc. to do it.

Mike_Honcho

Gone Fission,

I live in Buffalo NY (we get a lot of salt in the winters) and just got my original chain-type down for the first time in 2 years. It was quite scaly with rust.

I got it down by:
1) Sprayed a bunch of "Thrust" brand penetrating oil into the metal cube like part of the hoist/carrier that the chain goes into from as many sides as I could. The best angles seemed to be from straight back and between the spokes of the spare tire while laying beneath the truck (while wearing safety glasses and keeping my mouth closed... ha ha). I don't think brand of penetrating oil matters either, just what I have because my neighbor who is a former mechanic swears by it.
2) Let it sit for a few minutes while I assembled that 3 part tool that fits in there to lower the wheel.
*3) A friend told me a trick that I think was key. If this is common knowledge sorry... He said you have to try and tighten it first, then turn it in the loosen direction. When I tried to turn the tool to lower the wheel only, nothing happened. When I followed his advice and tried to turn it the opposite direction, after a little pressure I heard a loud pop and the the whole hoist began to turn freely. It was easy to lower the wheel.
4) When I got the wheel down I sprayed the hoist/carrier with more "Thrust" before pulling it back up.

Hope this helps...

Does anyone know:
- Can the whole hoist/carrier be taken off or taken apart to clean it up?
- Is there something in there that needs to be greased or maintained so it will work if I have to lower it again by the side of the road??

-Mike

Gone Fission

I should abandon this project if the brake fluid soak doesn't work. I don't have the three piece tool you speak of either. can you post a pic of it?

Cyberman

The hoist that was on my truck works fine. I took it off, cause I run with my 35" spare in the bed. I just found it in my garage after 5 years, and it works smooth. The chain actually still has a coating (black paint?) on it. Surprising, considering how much rust was on the frame.

It is mounted on the truck by 3 bolts from under the bed. The 3 piece tool as far as I know is the same tool that works the jack.

EDIT: The winch is lowered by the opposite end (slotted) of the lug wrench.

Mike_Honcho

Gone Fission,

Cyberman is right. It's in the toolkit that comes with truck for the jack and lowering the tire. Mine is mounted behind the bench seat on the drivers side in a black pouch. I didn't have time to take a pic of mine, but here is a link that shows one that is almost identical:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-4Runn...-/251355068630

Now that I know they are being sold for so much I am going to take much better care of mine!

Don't abandon the project!! Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Spray some penetrating oil up in there and give it another shot!

Good luck!
-Mike

Gone Fission

Wow $125 for the tire change kit. all I have is the original jack. will have to fabricate the rest.

Cyberman

Jeez. I've been holding on to this stuff, and will never use it. Maybe I should throw it up for half price, and get some more goodies.

Mike_Honcho

Gone Fission,

How were you trying to lower the winch/carrier without the tool?

If you are going to fabricate something up and need dimensions of the tool that comes with the kit, let me know... I probably can measure mine for you. The hook end just acts like a giant flathead screwdriver.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

-Mike

wyoming9

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More power to you guys.

The last thing I want to do is be crawling under a truck to get a spare tire down .

In the rain mud or along side the road.