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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 11:06 AM
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  • I’ll go as far as to say fairly sure. TMS (Toyota USA) tended to load up the SR5 with accessories over the STD and DX. Sometimes the DX got a upgrade package that allowed it to come with some accessories that were stock on the SR5, but those kit were pretty superficial. Whatever could be easily done at the port. My guess is Toyota tried to keep the price down on a bulk of the trucks to lower the tariff fees they’d get hit with once the arrived at the US. Back then Toyota’s big inroad with the truck market was a great 4 cyl that was cheap as hell. So back in the 1980’s carpet was pretty much exclusive to the SR5. The 1989 4Runner was kind of a bridge between first gen and second gen, and you were starting to see some of the guidelines in build shift, but with 100% vinyl door panels, and the vinyl in the bed, I’m pretty certain of this one.
  • If the vehicle was sent from Japan to a private distributer like South East, Gulf States, and I think Boston or Chicago back then, it’s possible they added something the other distributers(who were by then owned by TMS) didn’t.
  • Toyota didn’t tend to mix carpet and vinyl in the same vehicle. All one or the other. But as many here can testify too, what a distributer like SouthEast would do was sky’s the limit. I saw a Landau top on a Camry once.
  • EPC data is pretty darn accurate, and the info looks almost exactly like the microfiche we used back then. You can grab your model number and look up the flooring on your vehicle and see how Japan built and shipped it.

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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 12:05 PM
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  • I’ll go as far as to say fairly sure. TMS (Toyota USA) tended to load up the SR5 with accessories over the STD and DX. Sometimes the DX got a upgrade package that allowed it to come with some accessories that were stock on the SR5, but those kit were pretty superficial. Whatever could be easily done at the port. My guess is Toyota tried to keep the price down on a bulk of the trucks to lower the tariff fees they’d get hit with once the arrived at the US. Back then Toyota’s big inroad with the truck market was a great 4 cyl that was cheap as hell. So back in the 1980’s carpet was pretty much exclusive to the SR5. The 1989 4Runner was kind of a bridge between first gen and second gen, and you were starting to see some of the guidelines in build shift, but with 100% vinyl door panels, and the vinyl in the bed, I’m pretty certain of this one.
  • If the vehicle was sent from Japan to a private distributer like South East, Gulf States, and I think Boston or Chicago back then, it’s possible they added something the other distributers(who were by then owned by TMS) didn’t.
  • Toyota didn’t tend to mix carpet and vinyl in the same vehicle. All one or the other. But as many here can testify too, what a distributer like SouthEast would do was sky’s the limit. I saw a Landau top on a Camry once.
  • EPC data is pretty darn accurate, and the info looks almost exactly like the microfiche we used back then. You can grab your model number and look up the flooring on your vehicle and see how Japan built and shipped it.
now im a little bit more confused because im not sure if mine were std or dlx but I know they’re not sr5

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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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My apologies. The truck had STD, DLX, SR5/SRT. I think 4Runners were only DLX and SR5/SRT. There were some pretty stripped down 4Runner DLX’s though.
The plate on the firewall has your model#. That’ll tell you what you have. Useful to have when looking up parts, too.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 06:04 PM
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My apologies. The truck had STD, DLX, SR5/SRT. I think 4Runners were only DLX and SR5/SRT. There were some pretty stripped down 4Runner DLX’s though.
The plate on the firewall has your model#. That’ll tell you what you have. Useful to have when looking up parts, too.
I found the 1986 Toyota trucks sales brochure online and it does list “4runner, 4runner deluxe and 4runner sr5”. And vaguely makes reference to the back seat. So now i believe my ‘84 was a “4runner” which i remember had vinyl and no back seat. And my current 4r is a deluxe. Now how can i decode these options listed here? The EFI is obvious but the others not so much.



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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 07:11 AM
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To the best of my memory:
RN61LV R=R series engine, N=Truck, 6=4wd, I believe the "1" is the gen within the series. "0" would be 84-85."1" 86-89. L=left side steering wheel, V=Wagon.
MDEA M=manual trans, D=Deluxe, E=EFI, A=America(Built for USA spec, not where it was built)

Options
5F=5 speed mtm
W=Wagon
St= I'd assume power steering. But I forget
USA=built for USA market (emissions, safety standards, etc.)
CBU=completely built unit(built entirely in Japan). On some of the trucks with beds during that period you'll see "IV" Incomplete vehicle. That's where they shipped the pickup to the US without the bed, installing a USA built bed at the port. The beds with a smooth exterior rail(no lip) were USA beds. The ones with the old style lip and exterior tie downs were Japanese beds.

One thing to keep in mind, these "options" aren't the same thing as the "options" or "packages" you'd see on the window sticker at the dealer. The Toyota Regional office in the USA would add more specific options. A/C, cruise, bumpers, floor mats, etc. etc. etc .

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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 08:44 AM
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To the best of my memory:
RN61LV R=R series engine, N=Truck, 6=4wd, I believe the "1" is the gen within the series. "0" would be 84-85."1" 86-89. L=left side steering wheel, V=Wagon.
MDEA M=manual trans, D=Deluxe, E=EFI, A=America(Built for USA spec, not where it was built)

Options
5F=5 speed mtm
W=Wagon
St= I'd assume power steering. But I forget
USA=built for USA market (emissions, safety standards, etc.)
CBU=completely built unit(built entirely in Japan). On some of the trucks with beds during that period you'll see "IV" Incomplete vehicle. That's where they shipped the pickup to the US without the bed, installing a USA built bed at the port. The beds with a smooth exterior rail(no lip) were USA beds. The ones with the old style lip and exterior tie downs were Japanese beds.

One thing to keep in mind, these "options" aren't the same thing as the "options" or "packages" you'd see on the window sticker at the dealer. The Toyota Regional office in the USA would add more specific options. A/C, cruise, bumpers, floor mats, etc. etc. etc .
wow, great information! Thanks!
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimkola
One thing to keep in mind, these "options" aren't the same thing as the "options" or "packages" you'd see on the window sticker at the dealer. The Toyota Regional office in the USA would add more specific options. A/C, cruise, bumpers, floor mats, etc. etc. etc .
I think this is why it is so confusing to figure out what "trim" level our trucks or 4Runners are because I have seen many optional equipment added to all trims and they were original to the truck or 4Runner (at least as they left the dealer lot, not necessarily the assembly line).


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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimkola
To the best of my memory:
RN61LV R=R series engine, N=Truck, 6=4wd, I believe the "1" is the gen within the series. "0" would be 84-85."1" 86-89. L=left side steering wheel, V=Wagon.
MDEA M=manual trans, D=Deluxe, E=EFI, A=America(Built for USA spec, not where it was built)

Options
5F=5 speed mtm
W=Wagon
St= I'd assume power steering. But I forget
USA=built for USA market (emissions, safety standards, etc.)
CBU=completely built unit(built entirely in Japan). On some of the trucks with beds during that period you'll see "IV" Incomplete vehicle. That's where they shipped the pickup to the US without the bed, installing a USA built bed at the port. The beds with a smooth exterior rail(no lip) were USA beds. The ones with the old style lip and exterior tie downs were Japanese beds.
the St stands for "single tire".

the body V stands for "van" (i know, semantics on this one), while the W in the options code stands for W-type transmission.

5F is "5-speed floor shift"
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimkola
That's where they shipped the pickup to the US without the bed, installing a USA built bed at the port.
Interesting. Do you know why?
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 11:22 AM
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Interesting. Do you know why?
in order to avoid an import tax/tariff on a complete vehicle, just as for the rear seat-delete 4runners, although the 4runners avoided a different tax that was for passenger vehicles.

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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wallytoo
in order to avoid an import tax/tariff on a complete vehicle.
Makes sense, the USA beds are different than the Asian/African/European and South American ones in the second gen trucks.
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 01:09 PM
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the St stands for "single tire".
the body V stands for "van" (i know, semantics on this one), while the W in the options code stands for W-type transmission.
5F is "5-speed floor shift"

Your corrections make sense. Thank you.
The import tariffs on trucks is pretty significant. 25%
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 01:41 PM
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in order to avoid an import tax/tariff on a complete vehicle, ...
The Chicken Tax?
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Old Jun 15, 2021 | 06:50 PM
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This 4r is amazing! I think we could see a new record set. Get a beer or snack before going through the 500+ photos!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ner-v6-4x4-18/

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Old Jun 15, 2021 | 11:17 PM
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He sells the 3.0 auto and plans to keep the 22RE manual?
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536
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Old Jun 16, 2021 | 08:59 AM
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This 4r is amazing! I think we could see a new record set. Get a beer or snack before going through the 500+ photos!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ner-v6-4x4-18/

That is one VERY clean 4Runner!

Look at that frame! That interior too!

I think we will see a new record (at least for 3VZE auto 4Runners!)

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Old Jun 16, 2021 | 09:36 AM
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That is one VERY clean 4Runner!

Look at that frame! That interior too!

I think we will see a new record (at least for 3VZE auto 4Runners!)

i think we'll see a BaT 1st gen record, period! the chassis is in crazy clean as-new condition. low-miles. complete, unbroken interior trim.
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Old Jun 17, 2021 | 10:37 PM
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1970 Toyota pickup:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-pickup-truck/
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Old Jun 18, 2021 | 11:35 AM
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that truck is pretty cool, the amount of rust around the Main Brake Cylinder is concerning. the old one must have leaked bad
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 06:30 AM
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Those are both very nice vehicles. Very happy not to have to look at another cherry red Runner.
i respect the 4runner owner for keeping the 4 cyl manual!

I hope the pickup finds a good home and doesnt get turned into a slammed street truck.
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