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Oh, I dunno. Do you think you'll ever need to check ignition timing?
That's one of the cleanest breaks I've ever seen. Surprisingly, there have been a number of postings here to the effect "I can't get the timing set," which turned out to be because the outer annulus of the harmonic balancer (which has the timing mark) had twisted on the inner part.
Yeah, a new one is in your future. About $85 at RockAuto. Given what happened to yours, a salvage harmonic balancer would have to be about free before I'd try it.
Last, when you install that new part, you're going to have to put 181 ft-lbs on the bolt to hold it. How are you going to keep the crank from turning? So even though you thought you were clever by using the starter, you STILL need to have crank holding tool to put it back on. Plenty of great shop-built designs on YotaTech; I (of course) am partial to this one: https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...h-3vze-137934/
LOL! I (used to) have one of those impact wrenches. On a good day, I could hit about 75ft-lbs (yes, I had to use a torque wrench on the wheel nuts to get them tightened up the rest of the way). Yours might be better, but I can pretty much guarantee you won't be able to get it to 1/2 the torque you need.
How much torque do you think your emergency brake can hold? If you left it on by accident, would it kill the engine every time? Or would you just drive away until you smelled hot brakes, and then let it off? If you have a manual transmission and set it in 5th gear, and really wail on the parking brake, it might hold it tight enough. Do you have the torque wrench that goes to 181? Or were just hoping against hope "that it should hold ok"? (The handle of my 1/2" "breaker-bar" is 12" from the center of rotation. There isn't any way to get that bar in the engine compartment horizontally, but if I could, I could STAND on the handle and barely hit the required torque.)
But what's the worst that could happen? You'll just pitch your new harmonic balancer through the radiator. On the way off, it will tear up the keyway in the crankshaft, and you can get a new one of those.
Am I the only one having a hard time imagining how removing the crank bolt(regardless of how) caused this to happen?
I'll take your word for it...I guess. But I can't quite understand what happened. Why does it look like there's damage to the inner part(bottom of the first pic)? Is there something you're not telling us? I've used the starter trick at least a dozen times(never done it any other way). That's never happened to me.
Am I the only one having a hard time imagining how removing the crank bolt(regardless of how) caused this to happen?
For what it's worth, I don't think removing the crank bolt had anything to do with the separation of the pulley. Maybe while he was pulling the balancer off, he managed to separate it, but I'm sure the rubber was toast long before he got to work on it.
For what it's worth, I don't think removing the crank bolt had anything to do with the separation of the pulley. Maybe while he was pulling the balancer off, he managed to separate it, but I'm sure the rubber was toast long before he got to work on it.
I imagine you're correct.
But there's a new problem...
I got everything back together and the #2 idler pulley ( the one that the water goes thru on the top) is vibrating very much. Gets HOT when I let it run too long. In my mind I can see the t-belt slapping it. But the car is running great.
So I took it all apart and the belt is fine the tentionsioner spring is ok.
Back together again (I'm getting pretty good at this) and its running great but still that bad vibration.
Cant think what might be causing it.
?Bad pulley from the box?
Thank you for your help!!
Last edited by thefreqofnature; 03-25-2016 at 02:34 PM.
That's weird. I'm running one of those Gates idlers. It seems to be a good one so far(only been a few months since I installed it). No noise, or vibration. I imagine it gets pretty hot though. But it should with 180°+ coolant running through it.
Oh...if it had the pre-installed black silicone gasket in the RTV/FIPG groove it was probably made by Gates. Mine did.
03-24-2016, 01:33 PM
