halogene

i am wondering if my 22re in a 89 toy pickup (Xtracab) 186 000 Km not miles is weak or it is made like this. under 2700 rpm on the 2 speed ..(sorry my bad english guys.) it is so weak it take like 20 secs to go up in rpm on a small hill really small hill like 5 degree angle hill. compared to my toy celica Gt 1.8 .. i looked at the specs 22re 98hp if i remember well and vvti 1.8 is 142. there is a huge difference on de pedal is that normal ? i never had a 22re re befaure this is my first toy pickup. if you need know more information ask it. i had in mind that probably O2 sensor was ˟˟˟˟ed up or something ? thanks you!
Example: my 1.8 vvti on the same hill in 4 gears at 1000 rpm can easily reach high rpm without downshift.

ps : 31 inch tire offset

SoCal4Running

Your truck has the aerodynamics of a parachute, your car has the aerodynamics of a bullet.

Your truck weighs 2 times what your car weighs.

It's normal.

spideynut

The gearing for your truck is set to haul cargo not haul ass...

wyoming9

iTrader: (1)

even the same engine in a Celica just the weight difference alone.

Makes a big difference.

couple it with a automatic .

A good tune up won`t hurt!!

halogene

i should compare it with a other 22re xtracab pickup

spideynut

Yes. If yours is not performing like other 22re's then yes there's an issue to address. Timing is a huge factor in performance. Cap,rotor,wires,plugs etc..

Grego92

iTrader: (4)

I also see you noted you have 31" tires on. To some people there is a noticeable difference, to others there is not. To me it was very noticeable on the highway acceleration when I went from a stock 225/75/15 SUV type tread to 31 x 10.5 all-terrains. I've recently gone back down to 235/75/15 that have a mild all-terrain tread (Michelin AT2) and again noticed a significant difference.

But....with this statement "under 2700 rpm on the 2 speed ....it is so weak it take like 20 secs to go up in rpm on a small hill really small hill like 5 degree angle hill." I think you got other issues than just tires alone.

Terrys87

iTrader: (1)

I didnt understand the "2 Speed", if it is an automatic transmission, it is alot slower then the manual transmission. You are comparing a car to a truck so there is going to be a big difference.

Also if the Celica you are talking about is front wheel drive, that will make a difference. Seems like I recall there is like a 30% horsepower loss just going thru the drive train. What I am trying to say is if a front wheel drive 89 toy pick up would be 30% more powerful then the rear wheel drive. I got the 30 percent from my ol V8 days, but hope you get the idea.

halogene

was not really to compare was just a example. no the truck is manual not automatique and yes i saw that the 22re have 98 hp and to the wheel is 78 something like this. this si my first truck so i was curiouse to ask if that was normal past 3000 rpm it goes like it was normal in low rpm it is ''really'' weak compared to all other car i have drive

78hp to rear wheel
142 hp the celica

there is a huge difference it is probably normal after all

halogene

i mean the second speed like the second gears i dont know how to say this in english

Grego92

iTrader: (4)

Good catch Terry, I think in my mind I read "2nd Gear".

Nonetheless, I think if you can't go up a 8-9% change in grade beyond 2nd Gear and maxing out at 2700 RPM you have other issues. If I were driving at 45MPH and then encountered that grade change I wouldn't have even noticed it and still stayed in 4th or 5th gear, and maybe added a bit more pedal pressure to keep the MPH up. If I was at a dead stop and started up a road with a 8-9% grade change I could easily go to 4000 RPM in 2nd gear (if I wanted to) and probably be in 4th gear before the road peaks at the 8-9% elevation change.

Maybe you think it's a "small" change but it's more like 20-25 degrees?

And if there are any math/geometry/trig guys in the house, please correct me if I'm wrong in my use of words or explanation

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futcomker

If its a fairly new truck (in your ownership), I would do a tune-up, do a pressure test and see where you stand. Like someone mentioned, check the timing, change the spark plugs, etc. Complete tune-up.

I had a terrible experience climbing hills, but that was due to my clutch. I had to seriously swap down to 1st gear to climb anything. That's how bad my clutch was. But I had no tach, so no idea where I was at in RPM's. But I am sure it was hi. Def not related to your issue. Yours sounds more of possibly running on 3 cyl, low cyl pressure, poor injector flow, etc etc. Too many possibilities.

Laurentian

Once read that how the truck was driven my PO can contribute to a small extent how rev happy the motor will be later on. I am a big 22RE fan also and have noticed this from driving different trucks. Nothing that a good tune up and gearing can't fix I guess. Are you from Québec Hologène, I noticed some french spelling in yours posts ?

halogene

haha, oui je vien de la ville de quebec plus precisement! .

I also love 22RE engine and i heard so many good thing about it. the motor just had a valve job, timing chain changed and head gasket remplaced(by the garage), all done by the last owner. I have the truck for 3 weeks now. it not look like running on 3 cylinder but it have a anoying ticking noise im sure 1 or 2 rocker are to much loose. i have seen video on how to adjust valve and it look easy i will probably give it a try i just recevied my feeler gauge from ebay to do it, maybe it will resolve the lake of power in low rpm or maybe not.

spideynut

Seems you just had a tune up. I would bump the tiimg up a tad. Or do it old skool. Advance it till it pings then back it off just a bit. You will feel the differance!!

halogene

really i should feel the differance ? will it be more fuel economic ? but i dont trust the old skool way that you said.

futcomker

Are you sure a tune up was done? I dont know how many cars i have purchased when the previous owner said the same onlybto find out the oppisite later. Unless there is a receipt with your VIN on it, i would question that. Look at ur block and see if a newer gasket is visible. The ticking sound is usually from the timing chain slapping the side. You can check how lose the chain is if you remove the valve cover. Finally, as stated before... check the cylinder pressure.

Laurentian

Halogène :

Many timing chain kit jobs are butchered ! Overtourqing the bolts will keep the tensioner from operating, etc.
I would go over the whole rig step by step if I were you
before putting too many hours on it and risking more damage. Enginbuilder in Oregon has some very good and affordable timing chain kits available on line.

Et bienvenue sur le forum !

halogene

merci! , well i dont want change my timing chain it look to hard. If i simply try to adjuste the valve i will be able to see if the timing chain is loose and/or the chain guard is working properly. and hopefully the ticking noise will stop. i am wondering if i could re-use the same valve cover gasket ? if it dont break when opening it.

futcomker

It depends what type of gasket. I have a felpro rubber one that i reuse. They're not too expensive. Also make sure you clean it real good with brake cleaner and apply a moderate amout of rtv under and over the half moons and do not over tighten the valve cover grommets.

Edit: To remove the valve cover grommets, they twist off. Dont try to simply pry them up. Again, do not over tighten them.

With that said, you could try removing the spark plugs to see how they're burning. While ur there you could check... u guessed it, compression.