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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 10:09 PM
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1990 pickup won't start. Blown 80 amp fuse

I was driving to go pickup a co worker. And just before I got there. All my dash lights when out along with my radio. My gauges went down, but my speedometer kept track of the speed. Only the charge light came on on the dash. My headlights work, tail lights and brake lights don't. Dome light works, also makes a buzzing sound when key is in the ignition. Got to work without turning my truck off (fear of not being able to start it again) turned it off and now not able to start it. Main 80 amp fuse was blown. I had a friend get a new one. Replaced it. And it blew again. I've checked all my ground wires. None (that I know of) are exposed and grounding somewhere else. I have recently done starter and alternator work. Checked all the areas around them. No grounding. Also when I tested the polarity of the battery. It was switched. In the middle of me working on it. The polarity switched back. Then went back to being reversed. Have no idea what has happened. Only truck to get around with right now. Any information would be helpful.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 07:56 AM
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I have never heard of a battery switching polarity, you should check your meds...I mean leads. LOL, Anyone else ever heard of a polarity shift?
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by akwheeler
I have never heard of a battery switching polarity, you should check your meds...I mean leads. LOL, Anyone else ever heard of a polarity shift?
LOL! Not me, either.

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How sure are you about your alternator work? New? Rebuilt? Disconnect the "B" wire from the stud terminal of alternator (here) and measure resistance from stud terminal to ground. You should have very high resistance (I don't remember exactly but should be tens of mega-ohms). Low resistance means bad rectifier or short in alternator.
Double check your wires, especially the thick "B" alt-to-batt wire and the thin white "S" wire that goes into the alternator connector. You sure nothing is shorting to the alternator stud terminal? On the first-gen 22R-E (schematic here), "B" or "S" wire shorting to ground will blow 80-Amp fuse and no other fuse. "S" wire, the thin white wire going to the alternator connector is spliced into the "B" wire near the the battery.

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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 11:17 AM
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Undid the stud to my alternator. My charge light went off. Still getting the buzzing with a working dome light. Went and tested the battery and it was fine. (Polarity not switched I guess) going to get a new alternator soon. Looked at all wires none were open and or grounded some other place. Tore open all wire harness. Gotta retape everything back to where it was after I'm finished. Will post when done and fixed. 80 amp fuse didn't blow after I plugged it in and the alternator was taken off though.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 12:17 PM
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Took alternator to oreileys they tested saying it. Read it was working with at least 13v coming off. Gonna recheck the wires again.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 02:00 PM
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13 volts seems low, should be 13.5 to 14.5 volts.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Benaiah Reeves
... 80 amp fuse didn't blow after I plugged it in and the alternator was taken off though.
Did you measure resistance from stud "B" terminal of alt as I suggested?

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13 volts seems low, should be 13.5 to 14.5 volts.
Yes... 13V is too low.
To be exact... 13.5 to 15.1V (depending on temperature).
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 11:58 PM
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Something caused that 80 amp fuse to open and it had to be a pretty good draw to do so.

Loose connection any arc marks on the B terminal from being loose ??

Positive cable connection to the starter another likely place

Depending on the quality of the rebuild 13VDC is well within what I have seen as of late
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 08:30 AM
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I got it fixed. It must've been a lose connection in the alternator somewhere. Thank you guys for the input.
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Benaiah Reeves
I got it fixed. It must've been a lose connection in the alternator somewhere. Thank you guys for the input.
Great! ^^^

However..
Originally Posted by Benaiah Reeves
... Main 80 amp fuse was blown...
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Something caused that 80 amp fuse to open and it had to be a pretty good draw to do so...
A loose connection may cause overheating of connections but not enough to blow an 80-Amp fuse. I suggest you double-check your wires.
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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 01:38 AM
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I will call you on that Ray a loose enough connection on one of those cables The B Terminal of the Alternator or the positive battery cable will cause a large enough arc to easily open the 80 amp fuse .

Having repaired it a few times

Then the fact of the studs being pretty much melted off is a good sign.

Although it can be any of a 100 other things as well
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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wyoming9
...Then the fact of the studs being pretty much melted off is a good sign....l
Hmmm.... I stand corrected... Come to think of it.... Yes, If "B" cable arcs it could generate enough counter-EMF to blow the 80-Amp.

But the O.P. never mentioned what the stud's condition is like. That's why I always stress, " A problem well-stated is a problem almost solved," AND "A picture paints a thousand words."
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Old Dec 22, 2024 | 11:57 AM
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Hi Im in the same issue. Im posting here to possibly avoid spending alot of money chasing the problem.

80A popped while cruising down the road, while raining, the windshield wipers quit working aswell as dash, radio. Headlights do work. Drove it another 5min to location, when I went to leave would not start/click....nothing

When I turn the key with popped fuse, 0 happens

I ended up using the roll/ clutch to get the truck started and drove it home, headlights staying nice and bright the whole time, left it running for 30min at home, headlights still bright turned it off....

A week has passed it is now very dry

I looked over all the wiring, connectors, grounds, everything looks solid. There is some motor oil on the wiring though it still looks good, I tried a new fuse, instantly popped.

I noticed a small fesh arc spot on the bottom of Alternator/casing, so I took the B terminal off Alternator, put a new fuse in did not pop. Does that indicate the alternator is arcing on itself causing this?

On this truck I need to remove bottom radiator hose to replace alternator, so Im just checking with you before going that route.

Thanks in advance for any help!


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Old Dec 26, 2024 | 05:16 AM
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Hello? insert cricket sound,

Is there anybody out there, just nod if you can hear me lol
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Old Dec 28, 2024 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jssrvlz
Hello? insert cricket sound,

Is there anybody out there, just nod if you can hear me lol

Bueller? Bueller?
Seeing an arc from your alternator would be a bad sign. Take your alternator off and see if your parts store can test it. If not bring a multi-meter and test the terminals side by side with a new one checking for resistance from each terminal to the alternator case. Or just change the alternator and find out.
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