w56 front oil seal same as rear by chance?
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w56 front oil seal same as rear by chance?
I've got my tranny pulled for a dual setup. I replaced the rear seal on the tranny (w56) and figured I would replace the front seal as a safe measure. A couple quick questions though. More out of curiosity on this first one before I take it apart (a couple days fro now), is the front seal the same size as the rear seal? I only ask because I have an extra rear seal and that would be nice, but I doubt they'd be the same. ha ha.... Secondly when placing the gasket parts back on that were removed to get to the seal, do you guys recommend gaskets, fpig (which kind/brand), or both? I did my transfers with just gaskets as the TG guide didn't say anything about fpig, wish they would have. I was sure to make sure all surfaces were extremely clean and free raised spots on the surface/edges to make the best seal. I'm holding my breath that those gaskets do the trick.
Kind of an oddball question to throw in the same thread, but same gasket question for the oil pan. I swear mine is leaking at the rear and it doesn't appear to be from the rear main seal and dripping down (replaced rear main as well).
Kind of an oddball question to throw in the same thread, but same gasket question for the oil pan. I swear mine is leaking at the rear and it doesn't appear to be from the rear main seal and dripping down (replaced rear main as well).
Last edited by live4soccer7; 12-07-2011 at 09:41 PM.
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If gaskets are available, I used them. With a slight coating of Ultra Black or Ultra Grey. The Ultra Copper is high temp. But all of the Ultras are oil resistant. And they wont burn your nose hairs out when you get a good whiff, like RTV does...
If no gasket available, then the Ultras work great also.
If no gasket available, then the Ultras work great also.
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I use Toyota RED FIPG on tcases and trannies. BLACK on oil pans and motor. Never used the gaskets on the tcases. Never had a leak.
I don't recall on the seals. I'd have to check the part numbers on the boxes.
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I don't recall on the seals. I'd have to check the part numbers on the boxes.
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Good idea, not sure why I didn't think of that. I searched "toyota fipg", but it didn't yield very good results.
wabfab: how long does your xmas sale go for? I'm looking at picking up a few miscellaneous parts. Jan 1, just had to click the link. ha ha....
wabfab: how long does your xmas sale go for? I'm looking at picking up a few miscellaneous parts. Jan 1, just had to click the link. ha ha....
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If you're talking about the input shaft and output shaft seal, no, they're not the same. And they're an actual seal. FIPG is not used in these applications.
Now if you're just talking about the transmissions extension housing bolting to the transfer case, you can use FIPG as others suggesed in that application.
Now if you're just talking about the transmissions extension housing bolting to the transfer case, you can use FIPG as others suggesed in that application.
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I know there is an oil seal, so you just answered the sizing question for me then. Thanks. I was also talking about the gaskets as well (whether to use paper, fipg, or both). Thanks for the info.
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Now, here is the ultimate answer for FIPG toyota. Took a while to find it:
Part number: 08826-00090 SEAL PACKING RED 1281 (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1281
Part number 08826-00090 was superseded by part number 00295-01281
Part Number: 00295-01281 SEAL PACKING RED 1281B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1281B
Part Number: 08826-00100 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1282B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1282B
Part number: 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG)
Part number 00295-00102 was superseded by part number 00295-00103.
Part number: 08826-00080 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1207B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1207B
Part number 08826-00080 was superseded by part number 00295-00103.
Part Number: 00295-00103 SEAL PACKING BLACK 102 (FIPG)
However...
I looked up some part #'s and found one(of the 6) listed on the Permatex® ULTRA GREY® packaging that, in fact, was sold as Toyota P/N 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG) until it was superseded by Toyota P/N 00295-00103 SEAL PACKING BLACK 102 (FIPG). And one other as Toyota P/N 00295-01282 SEAL PACKING GREY 3 (FIPG), until discontinued.
Toyota P/N 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG)
Toyota P/N 08826-00080 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1207B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1207B
Both were superseded by Toyota P/N 00295-00103 SEAL PACKAGING BLACK 102 (FIPG)
Here's the rest of what I've gathered regarding the Permatex® ULTRA GREY® part # and the 6 Seal Packing/FIPG part #'s I found in the various Toyota FSMs...
Yellow = old part #
Green = current part #
So there's still 2 kinds of black FIPG available from the factory P/N 00295-00103 (102) & 08826-00100 (1282B), and one Red P/N 00295-01281 (1281B)
AFAIK. Correct me where I'm wrong.
Proof from manufacturer publishings:
http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/85084.pdf
http://www.etimago.com/yaris/repairm...reparation.pdf
http://www.fjccentral.com/tech/Timing_Chain_Install.pdf
http://www.threebond.co.jp/en/produc.../1200list.html
http://www.sugarlump.no/cruiser/HDJ-80_3.pdf
I looked up some part #'s and found one(of the 6) listed on the Permatex® ULTRA GREY® packaging that, in fact, was sold as Toyota P/N 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG) until it was superseded by Toyota P/N 00295-00103 SEAL PACKING BLACK 102 (FIPG). And one other as Toyota P/N 00295-01282 SEAL PACKING GREY 3 (FIPG), until discontinued.
Toyota P/N 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG)
Toyota P/N 08826-00080 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1207B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1207B
Both were superseded by Toyota P/N 00295-00103 SEAL PACKAGING BLACK 102 (FIPG)
Here's the rest of what I've gathered regarding the Permatex® ULTRA GREY® part # and the 6 Seal Packing/FIPG part #'s I found in the various Toyota FSMs...
Yellow = old part #
Green = current part #
So there's still 2 kinds of black FIPG available from the factory P/N 00295-00103 (102) & 08826-00100 (1282B), and one Red P/N 00295-01281 (1281B)
AFAIK. Correct me where I'm wrong.
Proof from manufacturer publishings:
http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/85084.pdf
http://www.etimago.com/yaris/repairm...reparation.pdf
http://www.fjccentral.com/tech/Timing_Chain_Install.pdf
http://www.threebond.co.jp/en/produc.../1200list.html
http://www.sugarlump.no/cruiser/HDJ-80_3.pdf
Part number 08826-00090 was superseded by part number 00295-01281
Part Number: 00295-01281 SEAL PACKING RED 1281B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1281B
Part Number: 08826-00100 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1282B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1282B
Part number: 00295-00102 SEAL PACKING GREY 102 (FIPG)
Part number 00295-00102 was superseded by part number 00295-00103.
Part number: 08826-00080 SEAL PACKING BLACK 1207B (FIPG), or THREE BOND 1207B
Part number 08826-00080 was superseded by part number 00295-00103.
Part Number: 00295-00103 SEAL PACKING BLACK 102 (FIPG)
Last edited by live4soccer7; 12-08-2011 at 12:57 PM.
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There are some on ebay for the 102
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...&_sop=15&_sc=1
Seems like the best place to get them could be here:
http://trdparts4u.com/Scripts/prodList.asp
Anyone have a better source?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...&_sop=15&_sc=1
Seems like the best place to get them could be here:
http://trdparts4u.com/Scripts/prodList.asp
Anyone have a better source?
Last edited by live4soccer7; 12-08-2011 at 01:28 PM.
#13
This place seems even better:
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/
Search this "00295-00103" for the black
and this "00295-01281" for red
Shipping costs are cheaper here.
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/
Search this "00295-00103" for the black
and this "00295-01281" for red
Shipping costs are cheaper here.
#14
Anyone know the difference between this:
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...826-00100.html
and this:
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...295-00103.html
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...826-00100.html
and this:
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...295-00103.html
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