Intermittent Turn Sig cancel
Aug 5, 2016 | 10:30 AM
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Intermittent Turn Sig cancel
I’ve had this basic 84 P/u for the last few years and I rarely use the turn sigs, but recently started to. They work fine but rarely cancel (either direction), I figured it was a plastic piece had broken off. Then the other day it cancelled as it should in both directions and I had not done anything to it or differently. Then it want back to not canceling. Also, FWIW, the brass horn pin probably needs to be replaced.
Anyone ever have this happen, any thoughts on what it may be?
Thanks
L
Anyone ever have this happen, any thoughts on what it may be?
Thanks
L
Sep 4, 2016 | 01:47 AM
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Just why do you not use your turn signals ??
Things wear out
There is a ball under spring tension that as the steering wheel is turned cancels the turn signal
Most times the plastic surface it rides on gets worn . Could be just very dirty as well
You can replace the whole switch or what I did was build up the worn area with some plastic shims then glued with super glue.
This has been working fine for years I even bought another used switch to install but never needed to
Things wear out
There is a ball under spring tension that as the steering wheel is turned cancels the turn signal
Most times the plastic surface it rides on gets worn . Could be just very dirty as well
You can replace the whole switch or what I did was build up the worn area with some plastic shims then glued with super glue.
This has been working fine for years I even bought another used switch to install but never needed to
Sep 4, 2016 | 11:00 AM
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Just why do you not use your turn signals ??
Things wear out
There is a ball under spring tension that as the steering wheel is turned cancels the turn signal
Most times the plastic surface it rides on gets worn . Could be just very dirty as well
You can replace the whole switch or what I did was build up the worn area with some plastic shims then glued with super glue.
This has been working fine for years I even bought another used switch to install but never needed to
Things wear out
There is a ball under spring tension that as the steering wheel is turned cancels the turn signal
Most times the plastic surface it rides on gets worn . Could be just very dirty as well
You can replace the whole switch or what I did was build up the worn area with some plastic shims then glued with super glue.
This has been working fine for years I even bought another used switch to install but never needed to
Thanks for the repair tip. It looks like new switches are no longer available.
Apr 10, 2018 | 10:31 AM
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Annnd we’re back to this project with an update and a new problem.
The intermittent turn sig cancel became sorta “fixed” when I removed the steering wheel to look at its mounting etc as compared to a much nicer looking and in much better shape wheel I got from a 90 Pu (a swap I am looking to do at some point).
Once I cleaned up the dust and detritus and reinstalled the wheel the turn sigs started canceling on a fairly regular basis. I don’t know if this is a good permanent fix but it is, or was, good for months till a new problem arose.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.
So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?
BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
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Apr 10, 2018 | 11:11 AM
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Annnd we’re back to this project with an update and a new problem.
The intermittent turn sig cancel became sorta “fixed” when I removed the steering wheel to look at its mounting etc as compared to a much nicer looking and in much better shape wheel I got from a 90 Pu (a swap I am looking to do at some point).
Once I cleaned up the dust and detritus and reinstalled the wheel the turn sigs started canceling on a fairly regular basis. I don’t know if this is a good permanent fix but it is, or was, good for months till a new problem arose.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.
So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?
BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
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Apr 10, 2018 | 11:36 AM
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Apr 10, 2018 | 12:00 PM
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(Went to "source" mode and removed those pesky "h6's" in brackets...
Sounds like you have two problems at the same time; mechanical in the case of not canceling, and intermittent electrical.
Need one essential info: Do you hear the blinker relay click even when either hazard, left, or right turn do not work?
Annnd we’re back to this project with an update and a new problem. The intermittent turn sig cancel became sorta “fixed” when I removed the steering wheel to look at its mounting etc as compared to a much nicer looking and in much better shape wheel I got from a 90 Pu (a swap I am looking to do at some point). Once I cleaned up the dust and detritus and reinstalled the wheel the turn sigs started canceling on a fairly regular basis. I don’t know if this is a good permanent fix but it is, or was, good for months till a new problem arose.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
Need one essential info: Do you hear the blinker relay click even when either hazard, left, or right turn do not work?
Apr 10, 2018 | 12:03 PM
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(Went to "source" mode and removed those pesky "h6's" in brackets...
Sounds like you have two problems at the same time; mechanical in the case of not canceling, and intermittent electrical, most likely on the combo switch contacts.
Need one essential info: Do you hear the blinker relay click even when either hazard, left, or right turn do not work?
A thousand words below...
Annnd we’re back to this project with an update and a new problem. The intermittent turn sig cancel became sorta “fixed” when I removed the steering wheel to look at its mounting etc as compared to a much nicer looking and in much better shape wheel I got from a 90 Pu (a swap I am looking to do at some point). Once I cleaned up the dust and detritus and reinstalled the wheel the turn sigs started canceling on a fairly regular basis. I don’t know if this is a good permanent fix but it is, or was, good for months till a new problem arose.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
Now . . . I have a related problem. I had the “opportunity” to use my hazard flashers recently. Suffice it to say I found a tool on the road and it was able to penetrate my less than year old 8-ply tire. Side bar: Bizarrely, the tire thing happened at the same exact place where I had shredded a tire which led me to buy the newer 8-plys.
So once I sorted the tires out I went back to my normal driving and I went to signal for a turn and nada, nyet, nothing – no turn signal in either direction. Woo Hoo. I checked the hazard lights and nada, nyet, nothing. Grrr. A day or so later I checked the fuse and it is good. So I flip on the hazards again and now they work – YAY. The turn sigs not-so-yay – still nada.So, the current (an electrical pun) situ is: the bulbs are all good; the flasher (common for both the turn sigs and hazards) is good. This leaves just the turn/combo switch correct? The other items on the combo switch (headlights, wipers) are working. Where else should I look/test?BTW, I did some searching here and couldn’t find a thread that quite matched mine but there were also a lot of threads that came up, many without a clear solution.
Need one essential info: Do you hear the blinker relay click even when either hazard, left, or right turn do not work?
A thousand words below...
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Apr 10, 2018 | 12:14 PM
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When the hazard flashers are on I hear and felt the flasher clicking, and the dash indicator lights flash along with the lights outside.
When I turn on either turn sig no sight no sound - just the opposite of the Twilight Zone.
Apr 10, 2018 | 12:50 PM
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[QUOTE=L5wolvesf;52395720]Uhmmm OK I didn't see pesky "h6's" in brackets - you speak strange language stranger. [/QUOTE
LOL!
When you click "Source" (attached), you get into a little basic HTML editing mode.
Most likely the contacts in red rectangle in attached, or power/connection to them...
You remember, of course, that hazards will work as long as good battery is connected, while turns only work with IGN On, right?
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When you click "Source" (attached), you get into a little basic HTML editing mode.
When the hazard flashers are on I hear and felt the flasher clicking, and the dash indicator lights flash along with the lights outside.
When I turn on either turn sig no sight no sound - just the opposite of the Twilight Zone.
When I turn on either turn sig no sight no sound - just the opposite of the Twilight Zone.
You remember, of course, that hazards will work as long as good battery is connected, while turns only work with IGN On, right?
Apr 10, 2018 | 01:15 PM
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Yes - turns only work with IGN On
Yeah I knida figured it was the combo switch. Could it be that, like the IGN switch (starter relay fix deal), having full power through the switch kills it over time?
Also, Is there a test procedure in the FSM for a combo switch that is OUT of the vehicle? I'm thinking of getting a used one (new is too damn expensive) and test it before installing it - maybe even test one at a wrecking yard.
Yeah I knida figured it was the combo switch. Could it be that, like the IGN switch (starter relay fix deal), having full power through the switch kills it over time?
Also, Is there a test procedure in the FSM for a combo switch that is OUT of the vehicle? I'm thinking of getting a used one (new is too damn expensive) and test it before installing it - maybe even test one at a wrecking yard.
Apr 10, 2018 | 01:17 PM
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Apr 10, 2018 | 01:25 PM
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In some things faster isn't better 
Uhmmm, that loops back to your flasher test request. I'm wondering about testing the combo switch (lights, wipers, etc) outside of the truck.
If you give me a fairly detailed how to I'll give the flasher test a shot.
If you give me a fairly detailed how to I'll give the flasher test a shot.
Apr 10, 2018 | 01:45 PM
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OK, hold up a bit. I went out to look at the flasher again and discovered there are 3 items under the fuse box. The one I felt clicking is the green one. I didn’t notice earlier that there was the round silver flasher behind that. So, I checked again and I can feel the clicks on all 3. Now another question: what are the 2 square items 1 green & 1 grey?
Apr 10, 2018 | 04:10 PM
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OKEY, found the check procedure. I revised above "question" post to make it the "Test Procedure" post...
On my 1986 22RE (here). The cube is the blinker. That should be the only one that clicks on-off when blinkers are on.
The one on top and toward front of vehicle is the tail light and the other one is the EFI (22R-e) main relay. Don't know what that other cube is on your 22R.
On my 1986 22RE (here). The cube is the blinker. That should be the only one that clicks on-off when blinkers are on.
The one on top and toward front of vehicle is the tail light and the other one is the EFI (22R-e) main relay. Don't know what that other cube is on your 22R.
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Apr 11, 2018 | 09:41 AM
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OKEY, found the check procedure. I revised above "question" post to make it the "Test Procedure" post...
On my 1986 22RE (here). The cube is the blinker. That should be the only one that clicks on-off when blinkers are on.
The one on top and toward front of vehicle is the tail light and the other one is the EFI (22R-e) main relay. Don't know what that other cube is on your 22R.
On my 1986 22RE (here). The cube is the blinker. That should be the only one that clicks on-off when blinkers are on.
The one on top and toward front of vehicle is the tail light and the other one is the EFI (22R-e) main relay. Don't know what that other cube is on your 22R.
