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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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You may have to press the bearing off.

The truck is ready for DD use, I want to put 4.88s on it but the pocketbook is tight for now. I usually take the Red Chili hunting anyway; I can tow our popup pretty easily with it up to Wyoming. Against the wind. Both ways. I don't know how they manage to get the wind to blow like that, but it does!
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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No kidding! Some of my worst x-country memories are of driving through Wyoming in a 4 cylinder 200,000 mile pickup alternately passing and getting passed by semis depending on whether I was going uphill or down, right into the wind or at a slight angle....gets annoying playing tag with the same people for hours.

Engine comes home this week. Out of town this weekend, though, so next week will be the big reconstruction week.

Oh, and rather than "press" the bearing off....I beat the crap out of it. I guess I have bad aim, because I also beat the hub up a bit...I'll likely just replace it to be safe. On the plus side, the dealership no longer requires me to pre-pay on special orders, and I get the discount on parts. Yikes.

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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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I somehow lost (which means threw away) the oil pump drive spline or whatever it's called. Can't find it anywhere...was hoping it was attached to the bottom of the old timing chain still..but no. Back to Toyota. Otherwise I think I'm good. The chain I'm using isn't Ted's, but I got his approval of it..it's at least not the cheap kind. Got a cam from him and head gasket kit. Can't wait to actually drive this thing!
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Approved by Ted is good 'nuff in my book. He's seen 'em all.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 06:11 AM
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Anything "special" that I need to do with the clutch fork & bearing stuff? Those clips really don't seem like they'll hold...I put the grease that came with my clutch on the spline, bearing, inside of the hub, and the recommended points on the fork.



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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 06:25 AM
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Then you did what you need to.
Don't force things at an angle when you join the tranny and motor. If you jam the input shaft funny against the pilot bearing, you get to take it all apart again. I usually have to use the bolts to snug things together (not overmuch force though), but be careful to keep things straight.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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Ok, great. Thanks. Depending on when I can round people up to help, I'll hopefully be putting on intake and exhaust this weekend or early next week!
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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How would you clean the oil pickup screen? I can see a few little tiny bits of rtv in there and some other gunk. Really doesn't look bad, but I'd hate for something so simple to mess up my new engine..
Should I just get a brush, or wash with water, or what?
And I'm guessing I shouldn't use the cork-like gasket that came with the rebuild kit for the oil pan? Just use rtv, right?
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:54 AM
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Toss the cork. Toyota black RTV (FIPG) is the schizz.
I had the machinist dip my pickup tube. Mine had that crap in it too. You do NOT want that circulating through your oil pump. A lot of local auto parts places can do that for you too (mom and pop shops). Otherwise, brake cleaner and a toothbrush. I buy a case at a time of brake cleaner from the local Checkers.
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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Great thanks. Yeah, it's amazing how fast I've been going through brake cleaner. Would Carb cleaner be fine? Just ran out of brake cleaner but I've got a full can of carb cleaner.
Otherwise maybe I'll check around to see if any local shops will do it.
I got the flywheel on & replaced the pilot bearing at lunch. Hopefully I'll get the clutch on before my friends show up to help get the engine in. I'm renting a hoist later today. I've got help for a couple hours, so hopefully we can get the engine and transmission in before they need to leave. Need to at least get the engine while I've got the hoist, tranny can wait but I'd like to get it today. It'll be nice when I'm to the point where I can work on it whenever and all the stuff that it takes more than just me to lift is installed.
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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I kept waiting for my son to show up... he was tied up. So I put the motor in myself. The secret is (if your tranny is already in place), don't rest it fully on the motor mounts, float it with the hoist about 1/2" or so above the MMs. Then use a floor jack to pretty much line up the tranny input with the clutch. GENTLY manuever the motor back - putting a wrench on the harmonic balancer to turn the crank so the splines line up. It will pop together mostly. Then feed four bolts or so and start the threads. Tighten in a cross pattern, a little at a time, ensuring everything is straight. Then let the motor rest on the mounts.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 06:02 AM
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Well, it of course didn't go as smooth or fast as I hoped, but they're both in! Now I haven't been able to let myself get too excited, because at least 4 times while we were trying to get the transmission in, somebody would bump the clutch fork or bump the transmission hard against something, and one of the clips holding the release bearing hub to the shift fork would pop off. Now seriously, I've got them on the way they should be, but if they get popped off so easily, how can they hold when I hit a bump or something? I have to figure they do hold on, since that's the way they are supposed to go and they hold for hundreds of thousands of miles, but I don't remember them popping off the last time I did a tranny install. Anyways, it's got me a bit stressed that I'm going to end up taking the transmission off again... They just really don't seem stable.

Other than that...had to take the transfer case off to get it in, it was just too heavy and awkward with it on, but we eventually got it, then got the transfer case back on the next day. Now if I just remember how everything attaches to the engine!

You mentioned extra bolts after your job?? I'm missing so many bolts it's not funny. Part of it is that the PO's left a lot of bolts out when they worked on it, but man. I guess I need to hit the auto store and fill some of these holes. I'd like to figure out exactly how many I'm missing though, so I'm not running back & forth to the store.

The FSM shows that the mechanical fuel pump in my 22R attaches to the head with two gaskets plus a reusable gasket between them. I must have tossed that...Is that right, though? Should there be a metal gasket or something between the two non-reusable gaskets?

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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 06:11 AM
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Last first: I don't remember (I am EFI) but the Toyota dealer should be able to tell you in 30 seconds flat.

You may want to drop by them for any extra bolts too. Most of the aftermarket bolts are Chinese and non-JIS head sizes, which makes for a lot of unnecessary pain later.

I agree, that retaining clip just doesn't sound right. I would do the same.

Good job though!

(BTW, I only had a *couple* extra bolts, small size... LOL )
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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oops..

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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 08:12 AM
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Thanks. You would do the same as in...take off the transmission? I more meant I'm scared that I might have to do it, not that it's got me worried enough that I am going to do it.
You can see in those photos I posted how the clips are attached. It looks right, right? My friends like me, but I don't think they like me enough to do this all again. The clips shouldn't be coming off so easily though, huh? That scares me.
I was just at the dealership, and finding bolts is apparently not easy. I hate those diagrams. I'll get it all figured out, though, even if it means getting bolts from a junkyard.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 08:35 AM
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I just realized that maybe I just don't have the hub slid far enough onto the fork? Should it sit in that groove, rather than on the lobes, there? I wonder...if that's the case, is there a way to get at it through the shifter boot hole, without taking it back apart? crap

EDIT- no, never mind, guess that's not it. It's on right...I just wonder why it seems so fragile.

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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 05:45 AM
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Would it make sesne to move the shift fork back & forth, and if I don't hear a clip fall off, figure it's good?
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 06:26 AM
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I suppose you could try it. The worst that could happen is, you have to pull your tranny and fix it, which you were planning anyway.

Unless it happens between Whereami, Montana and Nowhere, Idaho.

You are in an area where I don't have any experience - never had this - so I am not sure I will be much help.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 06:48 AM
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Yeah, I hear you. Most people I ask say it's fine.....but I don't like it. I just don't know that I'm going to be able to find anyone willing to pull it again. I wonder if the clips are just defective or something. I sure wouldn't be fun to lose it out in the middle of nowhere, you're right.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 07:39 AM
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My son tells me you can SORTA get to the points on the throwout to grease it, to prevent the dreaded chirping when idling and the clutch is released. But it is tight. You will need your go-go-Gadget fingers (AKA something long with a hook on the end). Worth a try anyway. I suppose as long as the arm stays in place, the throwout ain't going anywhere.
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