t_boneshacone

ok so i am planning on swapping my toy axle for a D44, now here is my dilemma, its not to hard to find a chevy D44 which would be 6lug and everything so no switching tires, and it would be pretty wide lol, but i know where a scout with a D44 is, and probably will be for a while, and its not quite as wide but would still be a little wider than the toy axles correct, and they are 6 lug too right?

My question for yall is, would you go with the scout d44 or look for a chevy d44?

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

Some vehicle information might help, but IMO a D44 is a downgrade from a well built Toy SFA.

tc

x2 - only reason to do a D44 is if you're going full width, and then you may as well go with D60's, Diamond housings, 14 bolt, etc.

4rnr

As said, you are talking a step backwards. If you want width go with an fj80 fj60/fj62 axle, dana 60, diamond housing, crossed up housing.....

scuba

I was thinking the same thing everyone else said...Go longfields, and keep off the skinny in low...

tc

With Longfields, throttle to your heart's content if you're <40's.

4rnr

Rubbish!!!!

my buddy on 42's dropping the clutch in 4.7:1 1st gear, to clear a 5-6ft undercut ledge. He has been trying to kill this thing for years to NO avail. I think he broke a centering pin once

cell phone vid...

http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...6081613-00.flv

Matt16

I'm no expert on Dana axles but isn't the Dana 44 a popular axle for Tacoma SAS because the diff is on the driver's side as opposed to passenger side on pre-'95 trucks. Now I know Dana 44 axles are used in more than one application, is there a Dana 44 with the diff on the passenger's side?

91 4Runner

Certain year Wagoneers have them on the passanger side. They are 6 bolt as well. I would think that there are other applications with the same.

OP - I'm not sure that the scout is 6 bolt. I know that my dads was a 5 on 5.5" pattern because we got rims and tires for it from a CJ.

That reminds me, CJ's are passanger drop. (not sure what axle - D44?)

Jeep'nTaco

Go with a pre 80's Wagoneer axle. They would be 6 lug, passenger drop and around 60" wms. I think the earlier ones were narrow trac axles and were 56" wms. Scouts are 5 lug.

tc

Yes, if you have a Tacoma, but the OP said "swap Toyota axle for D44" and his avatar is a preTaco.

t_boneshacone

ok i know some say it would be a step down from a "built" toy axle, mine isnt built at all, and i dont see any sense in building it up for what i could get a d44 for and i kinda want it for the width too

4rnr

Its absolulty a step down, and you dont have to "build" a toy axle to beat a d44. Stock to stock the 44 is maybe 10% stronger. Throw longs in the toy and the D44 will not catch up no matter how much building you do.

bigarms23

you can find a 6lug d44 on craigslist for usually around 150 bucks

t_boneshacone

this is another reason i would rather go with a 44 than putting longs in a toy axle, i know longs are bullet proof but they are also $700 i could probably get a 44 pretty cheap because my uncle owns a junk yard

tc

It's not initial price you need to look at - it's the lifetime cost of ownership... With Long's in a Toyota axle, it is $645 now, and then $0 for the rest of your life... compared to the cost and labor of constantly replacing broken stock axle shafts, it's cheaper to just pay up front IMHO.

To upgrade the D44 to be close to the strength of the Longfields (cromoly axles, CTM ujoints, etc) is going to be ALOT more than $645.

Jeep'nTaco

Just curious since there are many different opinions on Toy 8" axles compared to Dana 44s. Why would 30 spline Longfields made out of 4340 Chromo and a 1.24 diameter be stronger than a Dana 44 with 35 splines made out of 4340 Chromo and a 1.31 diameter? You gain a certain percentage of strength per every spline. Does it come down to the Birfield with the 300m race compared to a Longfield or CTM 300m U-joint? Everybody shows the Longfield diagram comparing stock but not a good selection of after market. I have a hard time believing it would not be partial since the graph and testing is put out from the same company that sells them. I have a Ford HP Dana 44 in the garage with 1/2" thick tubes = Stronger than Toy 8", 8 1/2 R&P = stronger than Toy 8", 8 lug = stronger than Toy 8" 6 lug and beefy flat top knuckles = stronger than Toy 8" even with the 5 or 6 bolt/stud conversion. So it comes down to the shafts and going by the material and dimension they are similar but the D44 is a little bigger with more splines. I got the axle from a guy running it in a Jeep that is heavier than most Toyotas with a stroked out inline 6 puting out 300hp and over 300tq with compound gearing and 42" tires with no breakages to the axle and only got rid of it since he parted out the rig for money. Not trying to start a Toy vs Dana war on a Toyota forum since most will side with Toyota but was curious on the logic as to why it would be stronger. I am totally for sticking to a brand and keep everything Toyota and if I had the money I would buy FJ80 axles with elockers for my Taco but a lot of the time it comes down to price and I got the Dana 44 and Dana 60 for less than a par of FJ80 axles goes for in my area and these are already built.

Jeep'nTaco

On a side note, I don't think anything is indestructable since my brother's front HP Dana 60 with 35 spline inner and outer chromo shafts had the wheel with the hub body, rotor and caliper fall off when he pulled into a parking spot when his outer bearing came apart. And he only runs 37" tires.

4Crawler

iTrader: (3)

One thing a lot of folks miss when considering a Dana axle swap on a Toyota is all the little gotchas. Things like getting and axle shortened or re-centered and/and spring perches relocated if needed. And getting custom SAE-metric brake lines built. And getting a custom drive shaft built with Dana u-joint yoke on one end and a Toyota flange on the other end. And getting custom steering linkage built to mate the Toyota steering box to the Dana steering arms. And the mis-match in gear ratios above 4.88. Those can all be dealt with but you should consider them up front.

scuba

roger !!!