Stay on the trails, do not go around closed gates

***Corey*** · 04-19-2007, 11:11 AM

I am not flaming the author of this thread, it is only for an example as to why it is important to tread lightly.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...damage-fj.html

Not only did he do $8K of damage to his new rig, but also may have done damage to a road or trail.

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MudHippy · 04-19-2007, 11:46 AM

For cryin' out loud! Not a video I'd be proud of.

***Corey*** · 04-19-2007, 12:32 PM

I am sure he will learn from this.
We all made mistakes the first time out.

Many are unaware of the Tread Lightly! concepts, and it takes a few other members to educate them.

Then some people will never learn, they think they are above the rules/laws and can do whatever they please, and they do not care if it spoils it for the rest of us who practice and abide by Tread Lightly.

Pest · 04-19-2007, 01:50 PM

I just have to wonder what goes through his head. "Oh, there's a gate here, says 'road closed.' I'm not sure what those two words mean, I guess it's trying to tell us there's a detour on the left or right side of the gate, let's do that!"

miguelitro · 04-19-2007, 01:52 PM

well, i would say he learned that the hard way...

it worries me to see the FJ ads in about every magazine i pick up touting them as off road vehicals. without a competent driver bad things will happen and the repercussions will affect all of us.

One thing i like about this site is that there is the tread lightly bbanner displayed but even here it could be displayed more promonantly on every page!

As a teacher i have noticed that common sense regarding nature is not at all common. It has truly been lost or buried by our "modern" society.

Mike

4Crawler · 04-23-2007, 07:01 PM

Seems like there was more to the story (round about pg. 8 of the thread). Putting that information on the initial post would not only have saved the originator all the "perceived negative" comments but also would have made the post complete so that the lurking "greenies" don't take it out of context and use it for their own uses. As-is, the first post sound damning for off-roaders, the follow up, 8-pages later makes it seem less bad, but what "greenie" is going to take the time to paste the two posts together?

7wt · 04-25-2007, 10:55 PM

Wow, some people.

sc4runner4x4 · 04-25-2007, 11:52 PM

Yea you need to read all of the pages, he comes back and clarifies.

4biker · 09-01-2007, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sc4runner4x4

Yea you need to read all of the pages, he comes back and clarifies.

This reminds me a lot of the "rock and muddy place" discussion recently. Everything was taken completely out of context because he didn't include a more complete description of the events, and it reflected poorly on him as a poster. Someone could read that first post, and then say that's how off-roaders behave, even on these forums, and reflect poorly on the rest of us. He sure got flamed hard, and it was his own fault.

spanish-road · 09-10-2007, 10:03 PM

Well from what i have read he didn't brake the law of the USFS, the mound was a "water bar" and loggers use them to provent wash-outs when a fire happens they put up a mount to keep people from cutting fire wood, a loaded truck cannot get over a tarp. A USFS personal helped him and let him go so that means that it was okay. I drive FS roads all day and run into like that a lot, dead tree is a dead tree thats why I carry a chainsaw. what he did would be in the gray shade.

ozziesironmanoffroad · 09-10-2007, 10:17 PM

still though people need to learn to respect the laws of open land. i enjoy offroading with trucks and 4 wheelers as well as anyone else, but if i come to a sign that says "keep out!" or "no tresspassing" ill turn around and look for another trail. they tend to put those signs there for a reason...

spanish-road · 09-10-2007, 10:26 PM

true a closed road is what it means closed to the public. I aguree with that and I follow the tread lightly guildlines since I want to use these road for years to come.

ozziesironmanoffroad · 09-10-2007, 10:48 PM

i mean yeah it sucks when they close your favorite trail, but they obviously did so for a reason, you know? i dont agree with all the housing and malls theyre building now, but hey you gotta live somewhere right? and with the malls and the self storages... arent there MORE than enuf of those? i mean theres a spot in san diego that has EIGHT self storages all within 3 miles of each other... how outrageous is that.. it all used to be open land free to offroad on

stormin94 · 09-10-2007, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozziesironmanoffroad

i mean yeah it sucks when they close your favorite trail, but they obviously did so for a reason, you know? i dont agree with all the housing and malls theyre building now, but hey you gotta live somewhere right? and with the malls and the self storages... arent there MORE than enuf of those? i mean theres a spot in san diego that has EIGHT self storages all within 3 miles of each other... how outrageous is that.. it all used to be open land free to offroad on

I think they need to have a self storage parking garage type deal, where they build up instead of out, and leave our trails open. Yeah, this guy was not smart to not clarify why he did what he did. I read most of it, but I can see some eco's getting a little pissed if they read just the beginning, as SO MANY of them do when they are scouting for reasons to shut us down.

JoKEpLaYeR · 09-10-2007, 11:38 PM

Stay on the trail! Don't cut corners. Don't misuse trails. If it says ATV/DirtBikes only, stay off it! Don't attempt a trail if the only easy way back out is a locked gate (ie, slickrock. We hit an obstacle that stopped us...and someone had the nerve to say that if we made it down there was a gate we could just go around to get back out. We turned around and headed home.) Do your research and keep our trails open!!! And don't 'mud' - I don't care how redneck you are. Don't tear up the land. That is not wheeling. That is not what responsibly recreation looks like.

And wash your rig when you get home. Quit transporting noxious weeds!

TreadLightly

ozziesironmanoffroad · 09-10-2007, 11:40 PM

wash it? whats the fun in that? haha. nothing looks better than an old yoda covered in mud

stormin94 · 09-10-2007, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoKEpLaYeR

And wash your rig when you get home. Quit transporting noxious weeds!

I'll never wash my rig!!! I usually just bomb through a few puddles on the way home.JK No, I know that the weed issue is pretty serious, I live on a lake, and people bring Hydrilla over here from all over the place on their boat trailers, and stuff. The stuff just clogs up EVERYTHING. I make sure and wash my rig at the self car wash, just so everyone else who can't go wheeling can enjoy some of the mud as well. And yes, you can still get some mud caked on your rig while treading lightly.

ozziesironmanoffroad · 09-10-2007, 11:48 PM

hehe yeah i know. best place to go wheeling? nellis AFB public offroad recreation area. i wish i had new shocks so i could go wheeling... its supposed to rain good and hard tomorrow

stormin94 · 09-10-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozziesironmanoffroad

hehe yeah i know. best place to go wheeling? nellis AFB public offroad recreation area. i wish i had new shocks so i could go wheeling... its supposed to rain good and hard tomorrow

Yeah, but what's a good hard rain in the desert? Like 0.08 inches...

ozziesironmanoffroad · 09-10-2007, 11:54 PM

youd be surprised... remember that post about the accident in arizona? its like that out here. i remember waking up about 2 weeks ago about 4am. there was a BIG thunderstorm goin on... poured, hailed, lightning flashed, thunder boomed, knocked out the power, and kept raining until like 10am. all the streets were muddy and dirty. i had fun. now you call that a minor storm? hahaha.

stormin94 · 09-11-2007, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozziesironmanoffroad

youd be surprised... remember that post about the accident in arizona? its like that out here. i remember waking up about 2 weeks ago about 4am. there was a BIG thunderstorm goin on... poured, hailed, lightning flashed, thunder boomed, knocked out the power, and kept raining until like 10am. all the streets were muddy and dirty. i had fun. now you call that a minor storm? hahaha.

Nope, I would prefer that to a Nor Cal winter anyday... Sometimes it gets like Seattle up here(don't tell anyone I said Seattle). It rains for like 2 weeks, and rains like 5 inches, so no flash flooding, just regular flooding. I'm kinda liking this drought, I hope it lasts a few more years....they close down the OHV park(the good wheeling spots) when it rains, and they only closed it once, for three days last year, and that was because they did a controlled burn on some of the dry grassy meadows that people like to park their red hot cats on in the summer.

04-19-2007, 11:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
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04-19-2007, 12:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I am sure he will learn from this. We all made mistakes the first time out. Many are unaware of the Tread Lightly! concepts, and it takes a few other members to educate them. Then some people will never learn, they think they are above the rules/laws and can do whatever they please, and they do not care if it spoils it for the rest of us who practice and abide by Tread Lightly. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

04-19-2007, 01:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pest Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Westminsterl, CO Posts: 357	I just have to wonder what goes through his head. "Oh, there's a gate here, says 'road closed.' I'm not sure what those two words mean, I guess it's trying to tell us there's a detour on the left or right side of the gate, let's do that!" __________________ -Pest (Nate) 1985 4Runner 278,xxx miles and still young! 2" lift. 32" x 11.50" BFG A/T's on 15" American Racing Wheels. Aussie Locker in the rear Commando Car Alarm with Power Locks and Remote Keyless Entry Rewired power windows to run with ignition off. LCEngineering Header, Magnaflow Muffler, 2.25" Exhaust Rock Crawling puts the FUN in Funeral.

04-19-2007, 01:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
miguelitro Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PBSDCAUSA Posts: 228	well, i would say he learned that the hard way... it worries me to see the FJ ads in about every magazine i pick up touting them as off road vehicals. without a competent driver bad things will happen and the repercussions will affect all of us. One thing i like about this site is that there is the tread lightly bbanner displayed but even here it could be displayed more promonantly on every page! As a teacher i have noticed that common sense regarding nature is not at all common. It has truly been lost or buried by our "modern" society. Mike __________________ 99 4xtaco the ussual stuff Team Bad Habits...

04-23-2007, 07:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,828	Seems like there was more to the story (round about pg. 8 of the thread). Putting that information on the initial post would not only have saved the originator all the "perceived negative" comments but also would have made the post complete so that the lurking "greenies" don't take it out of context and use it for their own uses. As-is, the first post sound damning for off-roaders, the follow up, 8-pages later makes it seem less bad, but what "greenie" is going to take the time to paste the two posts together? __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

04-25-2007, 10:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
7wt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 10	Wow, some people.

04-25-2007, 11:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
sc4runner4x4 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 102	Yea you need to read all of the pages, he comes back and clarifies.

09-10-2007, 10:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
spanish-road Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fairbanks Ak Posts: 1,097	Well from what i have read he didn't brake the law of the USFS, the mound was a "water bar" and loggers use them to provent wash-outs when a fire happens they put up a mount to keep people from cutting fire wood, a loaded truck cannot get over a tarp. A USFS personal helped him and let him go so that means that it was okay. I drive FS roads all day and run into like that a lot, dead tree is a dead tree thats why I carry a chainsaw. what he did would be in the gray shade. __________________ What I don't get is why pay someone to work on your vehicle? 1991 toyota pickup extcab- 22re 31x10.5x15 bone stock except for the RV cam and tires.

09-10-2007, 10:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	still though people need to learn to respect the laws of open land. i enjoy offroading with trucks and 4 wheelers as well as anyone else, but if i come to a sign that says "keep out!" or "no tresspassing" ill turn around and look for another trail. they tend to put those signs there for a reason... __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

09-10-2007, 10:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
spanish-road Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fairbanks Ak Posts: 1,097	true a closed road is what it means closed to the public. I aguree with that and I follow the tread lightly guildlines since I want to use these road for years to come. __________________ What I don't get is why pay someone to work on your vehicle? 1991 toyota pickup extcab- 22re 31x10.5x15 bone stock except for the RV cam and tires.

09-10-2007, 10:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	i mean yeah it sucks when they close your favorite trail, but they obviously did so for a reason, you know? i dont agree with all the housing and malls theyre building now, but hey you gotta live somewhere right? and with the malls and the self storages... arent there MORE than enuf of those? i mean theres a spot in san diego that has EIGHT self storages all within 3 miles of each other... how outrageous is that.. it all used to be open land free to offroad on __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

09-10-2007, 11:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
JoKEpLaYeR Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA Posts: 879	Stay on the trail! Don't cut corners. Don't misuse trails. If it says ATV/DirtBikes only, stay off it! Don't attempt a trail if the only easy way back out is a locked gate (ie, slickrock. We hit an obstacle that stopped us...and someone had the nerve to say that if we made it down there was a gate we could just go around to get back out. We turned around and headed home.) Do your research and keep our trails open!!! And don't 'mud' - I don't care how redneck you are. Don't tear up the land. That is not wheeling. That is not what responsibly recreation looks like. And wash your rig when you get home. Quit transporting noxious weeds! TreadLightly __________________ Steve/KG6ZJL <>< 1982 Camaro Z28 and 1988 4Runner... they're giving my wallet anxiety issues. 'Locking the hubs and airing down... there is no better way to start a weekend!' - Me www.SteveArnett.com Last edited by JoKEpLaYeR; 09-10-2007 at 11:39 PM.

09-10-2007, 11:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	wash it? whats the fun in that? haha. nothing looks better than an old yoda covered in mud __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

09-10-2007, 11:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	hehe yeah i know. best place to go wheeling? nellis AFB public offroad recreation area. i wish i had new shocks so i could go wheeling... its supposed to rain good and hard tomorrow __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

09-10-2007, 11:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	youd be surprised... remember that post about the accident in arizona? its like that out here. i remember waking up about 2 weeks ago about 4am. there was a BIG thunderstorm goin on... poured, hailed, lightning flashed, thunder boomed, knocked out the power, and kept raining until like 10am. all the streets were muddy and dirty. i had fun. now you call that a minor storm? hahaha. __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

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