Cracked Cylinder

addicted56 · 05-29-2008, 09:12 AM

Hello,

First post here.

Used to have a 93 4-Runner and loved the thing...wish I wouldn't have sold it but needed money for other projects (FJ 40).

Anyway. There has been an early 90's 4-runner out in front of my work for almost 2 years if not longer. Finally tracked down the owner from the stickers and only thru e-mail have I got a bit of info.

I noticed a lot of parts in the back. He said the cylinder was actually cracked. I thought he meant the head but he meant the actual cylinder after clarification. Said he was overheating replaced the radiator finally and then found out about that. I'm going to have him pop the hood and show me next week.

Besides a flat tire it looks like it is in perfect shap. Has 205K on the odometer. No dents scratches and amazingly no rust. Especially for here. The tail pipe is rusted out a bit though with a few holes here an there. No wear on any of the seat and except for 1 crack in the top dash from the sun looks perfect.

Going to get it for 1K or under so what are your thoughts on here??? I see a lot of engines for sale in classified section for 500 or under. Or should I just be looking for a good block and change it out with new bearing, rings, gaskets, etc. Would like to do it on the cheap to really cheap.

Thanks for your input.

rdlsz24 · 05-29-2008, 09:29 AM

Personally I would go with a complete engine just because it's easier, but finding a short block would be cheaper. I swapped in a complete engine when my bottom end went bad and was able to offset some of the costs by selling the top end and intake stuff which was still good.

Rob

zlathim · 05-29-2008, 09:43 AM

I'd probably try to swap in a complete used engine if I was doing it on a tight budget. It would be up and running a lot faster that way too. Does it have the 22re?

addicted56 · 05-29-2008, 10:23 AM

No,

I beleive it is the 3vze.

js9924 · 05-29-2008, 11:06 AM

get a 3.4 the 3vz is ok but it will blow again believe me

addicted56 · 05-29-2008, 11:46 AM

I'm not looking for anything crazy. I want....

#1: to go the cheaper route

#2: to go the easier route

I wish I could put a diesel in (all my other rigs have them or are getting them) but I just want a nice stock (maybe a small 2" lift) 4-Runner that my wife can drive around and bring out on the trails with me when I take out the FJ. I remmeber a lot of nights sleeping in the back of 4-Runner. If I had found a land cruiser for the same price as this I would be all over it....but I loved my old runner and it brings back memories.

Still looking for input and suggestions though. Sounds like a used replacement to drop it would be my best bet.

addicted56 · 07-22-2008, 04:04 AM

Well I'm back from a little vacation in afghanistan and back at trying to get this 4-runner. Hopefully can meet up with the guy soon.

I have an engine hoist and some space and could possible get it on an car lift if it would make it any easier.

For those that have done the complete swap out before about how long (hours) did it take you. I'm thinking if I can get one or two knowledgeable buddies I could get it done in one weekend working a LOT or possibly two full weekends taking my time.

Thank you, and I will post some pictures next.

addicted56 · 07-22-2008, 04:09 AM

Here are a couple. To bad he had to let the tire dry rot out. The others look in great shape.

I tried to make the pictures better but with the size I had to shrink it to kb wise I couldn't do it.

addicted56 · 07-22-2008, 04:28 PM

Any estimates on how long it would take?

mt_goat · 07-22-2008, 05:12 PM

To swap a 3vze for another 3vze?

Targetnut · 07-22-2008, 06:10 PM

You should count on more of a project than just an engine swap.

Usually when vehicles are abandoned like that it is because they have been neglected. Count on finding more things wrong once you get it running.

If you can find a Known Good engine then go with that.

It's not really that common, but I've encountered a couple of 3VZs with split cylinders in the #6 position because of being hydrolocked when they blew head gaskets. It is also not uncommon to find tweaked cranks and connecting rods.

That said, aside from the ill-effects of the headgasket issue. the engines are very reliable if they are repaired properly. So whatever engine you get, do your best to verify it's integrity.

addicted56 · 07-25-2008, 02:25 AM

Yes it is another 3vze. It was completely rebuilt by toyota and has zero miles.

I agree on having to fix other things.

Possibly frozen brakes, flat tire probably will not hold air, going to have to change a few fluids, battery is probably toast after sitting dead for a long time, probably a new exhaust though i could live with the one that is one there, a new rear windshield motor. I would hope that woudl be it though and those things only tack on another day or so.

Any other things you can think of for a car that has been sitting for 3 years.

Evil.Dingo · 07-25-2008, 04:21 AM

Will a 2L-Te match up to the tranny? If so you should defeinetly consider that. I here the the 2L-Te is one indestructable diesel !

mt_goat · 07-25-2008, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addicted56

Yes it is another 3vze. It was completely rebuilt by toyota and has zero miles.

Yeah you may be able to do that in a weekend if you don't run into any snags.

Take lots of pics before you take it apart, screw all nuts and bolts back into their spots to keep them straight. Label where each hose goes in that birdsnest of vac hoses as you disconnect them (they should be numbered). Use a tranny jack. If you have AC, some have managed to remove the compressor from the block without disconnecting the lines, that way you keep all your freon charge.

thook · 07-25-2008, 06:59 AM

Clean out the fuel tank!! And, a new filter, of course.

Radiator may need it, too.

Do all of the body electricals still work? Windows, lights, etc?

76ANTHONY · 07-25-2008, 07:03 AM

took me three days to pull my engine and rebuild it and put it back in, its an easy install so go for it, get a 1500 dollar longblock and your done....

addicted56 · 07-26-2008, 11:47 AM

Well,

I finally talked to the guy and he forgot the key so I didn't get a great look at anything.

I would love to put a diesel in if it was that easy as I'm a diesel guy myself but something tells me its not that easy or as cheap to get one of those. If it was I would do it though.

I should be able to get the 4runner for ~600 and the new engine I'm hoping for around the same. I already have found the rebuilt complete motor located up the road for ~800.

I have the time and a shop to work on it so I guess I might as well go for it. I still have the old engine so I'm sure I could get rid of a few parts and if all goes well be into one of these with a new engine for jsut over $1500. That sounds pretty reasonable to me. That would leave me a few dollars to put some goodies on it and enjoy the thing off-road.

And yes to flushing the tank and a new filter.

76ANTHONY · 07-26-2008, 11:59 AM

sounds like a hell of a plan. hey 1500 bucks for a nice used runner, hell you cant beat that.....

just a 22re · 07-26-2008, 03:02 PM

yeah thats a good price and if you got a welder then just weld it really good and have it bored out again all done lol

or do the 3.4L with 7 injectors and a nice stock sc!! but dont forget the fuel pump and what not if your going this route!

addicted56 · 07-29-2008, 05:54 PM

Well,

I got more info on the Engine tonight. It was proffessionally rebuilt by toyota but it does have 25K miles on it not zero. Still not a bad deal for $600.

I am going to tow the vehicle down to the autoskills shop that just reopened on post so I can use a tow strap to get it there. They have every tool you could think of and it is only 6 dollars an hour and I can keep it there over night for 3 dollars a night. So that should be fun if I can scrounge 1 or 2 freinds to come help me with it I just might be able to get it done over a weekend.

Only thing I can not do there is change fuel filters and drain tanks...so I'm going to have to do that in the parking lot at work (LOOKING FOR IDEAS HERE)

Now I just have to work out getting the truck and hurry up the transfer of title to my name and VIOLA...I might just be on the road in no time.

I'm going to be making a list of parts I'm going to need to bring with me. When I'm done feel free to make any suggestions.

T-1000 · 07-29-2008, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addicted56

Well,

I got more info on the Engine tonight. It was proffessionally rebuilt by toyota but it does have 25K miles on it not zero. Still not a bad deal for $600.

I am going to tow the vehicle down to the autoskills shop that just reopened on post so I can use a tow strap to get it there. They have every tool you could think of and it is only 6 dollars an hour and I can keep it there over night for 3 dollars a night. So that should be fun if I can scrounge 1 or 2 freinds to come help me with it I just might be able to get it done over a weekend.

Only thing I can not do there is change fuel filters and drain tanks...so I'm going to have to do that in the parking lot at work (LOOKING FOR IDEAS HERE)

Now I just have to work out getting the truck and hurry up the transfer of title to my name and VIOLA...I might just be on the road in no time.

I'm going to be making a list of parts I'm going to need to bring with me. When I'm done feel free to make any suggestions.

$6 an hour? The base I'm at is $4 with a lift bay, $3 for a regular bay. Dunno how much overnight though. Why can't you change fluids there? They should have some catchers. Heck, what's the point of an Auto Shop if you can't perform the most common vehicle task (oil change) there?

05-29-2008, 09:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Cracked Cylinder Hello, First post here. Used to have a 93 4-Runner and loved the thing...wish I wouldn't have sold it but needed money for other projects (FJ 40). Anyway. There has been an early 90's 4-runner out in front of my work for almost 2 years if not longer. Finally tracked down the owner from the stickers and only thru e-mail have I got a bit of info. I noticed a lot of parts in the back. He said the cylinder was actually cracked. I thought he meant the head but he meant the actual cylinder after clarification. Said he was overheating replaced the radiator finally and then found out about that. I'm going to have him pop the hood and show me next week. Besides a flat tire it looks like it is in perfect shap. Has 205K on the odometer. No dents scratches and amazingly no rust. Especially for here. The tail pipe is rusted out a bit though with a few holes here an there. No wear on any of the seat and except for 1 crack in the top dash from the sun looks perfect. Going to get it for 1K or under so what are your thoughts on here??? I see a lot of engines for sale in classified section for 500 or under. Or should I just be looking for a good block and change it out with new bearing, rings, gaskets, etc. Would like to do it on the cheap to really cheap. Thanks for your input.

05-29-2008, 09:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
rdlsz24 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pecatonica, IL Posts: 1,300	Personally I would go with a complete engine just because it's easier, but finding a short block would be cheaper. I swapped in a complete engine when my bottom end went bad and was able to offset some of the costs by selling the top end and intake stuff which was still good. Rob __________________ 1988 Xtra Cab Pickup ('94 22RE; 4x4; 5spd) Rancho lift w/ 33x12.5x15 tires & 5.29s Last edited by rdlsz24 : 05-29-2008 at 09:33 AM.

05-29-2008, 09:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
zlathim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 938	I'd probably try to swap in a complete used engine if I was doing it on a tight budget. It would be up and running a lot faster that way too. Does it have the 22re? __________________ Do you think Einstein walked around thinking everyone was a bunch of dipsticks? Idiocracy (edited for family friendly viewing)

05-29-2008, 11:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
js9924 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 183	get a 3.4 the 3vz is ok but it will blow again believe me __________________ '94 T100 3.0 My mods page: http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/dmb

07-22-2008, 04:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Well I'm back from a little vacation in afghanistan and back at trying to get this 4-runner. Hopefully can meet up with the guy soon. I have an engine hoist and some space and could possible get it on an car lift if it would make it any easier. For those that have done the complete swap out before about how long (hours) did it take you. I'm thinking if I can get one or two knowledgeable buddies I could get it done in one weekend working a LOT or possibly two full weekends taking my time. Thank you, and I will post some pictures next. __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride"

05-29-2008, 10:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	No, I beleive it is the 3vze.

05-29-2008, 11:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	I'm not looking for anything crazy. I want.... #1: to go the cheaper route #2: to go the easier route I wish I could put a diesel in (all my other rigs have them or are getting them) but I just want a nice stock (maybe a small 2" lift) 4-Runner that my wife can drive around and bring out on the trails with me when I take out the FJ. I remmeber a lot of nights sleeping in the back of 4-Runner. If I had found a land cruiser for the same price as this I would be all over it....but I loved my old runner and it brings back memories. Still looking for input and suggestions though. Sounds like a used replacement to drop it would be my best bet.

07-22-2008, 04:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Pics Here are a couple. To bad he had to let the tire dry rot out. The others look in great shape. I tried to make the pictures better but with the size I had to shrink it to kb wise I couldn't do it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride"

07-22-2008, 04:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Any estimates on how long it would take? __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride"

07-22-2008, 05:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 7,377	To swap a 3vze for another 3vze? __________________ Dale "America is in a hole and it's getting deeper every day. We import 70% of our oil at a cost of $700 billion a year - four times the annual cost of the Iraq war." T. Boone Pickens Check out the plan: http://www.pickensplan.com/# and http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Pages/default.aspx

07-22-2008, 06:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Targetnut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 524	You should count on more of a project than just an engine swap. Usually when vehicles are abandoned like that it is because they have been neglected. Count on finding more things wrong once you get it running. If you can find a Known Good engine then go with that. It's not really that common, but I've encountered a couple of 3VZs with split cylinders in the #6 position because of being hydrolocked when they blew head gaskets. It is also not uncommon to find tweaked cranks and connecting rods. That said, aside from the ill-effects of the headgasket issue. the engines are very reliable if they are repaired properly. So whatever engine you get, do your best to verify it's integrity. __________________ Targetnut don't talk about it, just do it! Precision Import Service '93 2WD 22RE, Ported w/os valves, custom intake manifold, crane cam, 295cc injctrs, Supra AFM, Supra fuel pump, adj fuel pres reg, 70mm throttle, LCE header, V6 Taco cat, 14lb flywheel, Kevlar clutch, W58 and short shifter, 4.10 gears w/Truetrac, drop spindles and blocks, 245/50-16 Yokos on 16x8 wheels, 4WD fenders, bumper, and valence, skinned tailgate

07-25-2008, 02:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Yes it is another 3vze. It was completely rebuilt by toyota and has zero miles. I agree on having to fix other things. Possibly frozen brakes, flat tire probably will not hold air, going to have to change a few fluids, battery is probably toast after sitting dead for a long time, probably a new exhaust though i could live with the one that is one there, a new rear windshield motor. I would hope that woudl be it though and those things only tack on another day or so. Any other things you can think of for a car that has been sitting for 3 years. __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride"

07-25-2008, 04:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
Evil.Dingo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: PA but my heart is still in CO Posts: 85	Will a 2L-Te match up to the tranny? If so you should defeinetly consider that. I here the the 2L-Te is one indestructable diesel ! __________________ 88' reg cab, 31" Mud Ter, work in progress.....hand me down... I now own the truck that pulled my Jeep out of a mud hole back in 1989!

07-25-2008, 07:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
76ANTHONY Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 416	took me three days to pull my engine and rebuild it and put it back in, its an easy install so go for it, get a 1500 dollar longblock and your done....

07-26-2008, 11:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Well, I finally talked to the guy and he forgot the key so I didn't get a great look at anything. I would love to put a diesel in if it was that easy as I'm a diesel guy myself but something tells me its not that easy or as cheap to get one of those. If it was I would do it though. I should be able to get the 4runner for ~600 and the new engine I'm hoping for around the same. I already have found the rebuilt complete motor located up the road for ~800. I have the time and a shop to work on it so I guess I might as well go for it. I still have the old engine so I'm sure I could get rid of a few parts and if all goes well be into one of these with a new engine for jsut over $1500. That sounds pretty reasonable to me. That would leave me a few dollars to put some goodies on it and enjoy the thing off-road. And yes to flushing the tank and a new filter. __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride" Last edited by addicted56 : 07-26-2008 at 11:49 AM.

07-26-2008, 11:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
76ANTHONY Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 416	sounds like a hell of a plan. hey 1500 bucks for a nice used runner, hell you cant beat that.....

07-29-2008, 05:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
addicted56 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 139	Well, I got more info on the Engine tonight. It was proffessionally rebuilt by toyota but it does have 25K miles on it not zero. Still not a bad deal for $600. I am going to tow the vehicle down to the autoskills shop that just reopened on post so I can use a tow strap to get it there. They have every tool you could think of and it is only 6 dollars an hour and I can keep it there over night for 3 dollars a night. So that should be fun if I can scrounge 1 or 2 freinds to come help me with it I just might be able to get it done over a weekend. Only thing I can not do there is change fuel filters and drain tanks...so I'm going to have to do that in the parking lot at work (LOOKING FOR IDEAS HERE) Now I just have to work out getting the truck and hurry up the transfer of title to my name and VIOLA...I might just be on the road in no time. I'm going to be making a list of parts I'm going to need to bring with me. When I'm done feel free to make any suggestions. __________________ Addicted to all thing automotive. 1956 Ford F-100 (Cummins 4bt) 1968 Dodge Power Wagon (Slant 6..no plans yet) 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser (Soon to be OM617) 1992 Toyota 4-Runner (3.Crap engine..wish it was diesel) 1997 Ford F0250 (Power Stroke) 2006 Volkswagon Jetta (1.9L TD)..."Wife's Ride"