Ball joint spacers?

8yota9 · 01-10-2007, 05:37 PM

What are ball joint spacers what do they do? more lift better traction? are they worth it? please some kind fello fill me in

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881stGenRunner · 01-10-2007, 05:41 PM

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...ljoint+spacers
Not trying to bust your balls or anything, but that is one the most talked about items here on YT. A simple search for ball joint spacers will yield thousands of answers! Good Luck.

4Crawler · 01-10-2007, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8yota9

What are ball joint spacers what do they do? more lift better traction? are they worth it? please some kind fello fill me in

See:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...ntSpacer.shtml
and
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...it.shtml#FAQ10

norcalsvx · 01-11-2007, 08:34 AM

they are great i love mine

8yota9 · 01-11-2007, 04:38 PM

Haha its cool thanks alot sites are verry helpful

8yota9 · 01-11-2007, 06:14 PM

will thease suckers fit my 89 4wd v6 3.0

and they go on the top controle arms using all other stock parts that came off like bolt up and go type thing and if eneyone who has thease could post pics that would be verry nice thanks a bunch
Andrew

all_terrain17 · 01-11-2007, 06:16 PM

Yep. They'll fit. Check RB's site for details...

http://www.4crawler.com/

AxleIke · 01-11-2007, 10:08 PM

I have a bit of a question for alls who's been running these things.

I have beaten mine up pretty good, and in my recent (an unpleasent) front joint replacement, i found that i had bent one of the BJ spacer mounting studs so badly that it is going to need to be cut out.

They are an M8, 125 thread pitch, i believe. My question is, anyone have any luck finding that bolt in the length needed here? Other than ordering it online? Like to get it soon.

I have both spacers out of the truck at the moment, which is kinda funny to see, but need to get them back in sooner rather than later, thanks.

4Crawler · 01-11-2007, 10:18 PM

I can ship you a replacement or two, $2.00 via First Class mail, $6.00 via Priority Mail (2-3 days) or $16.00 via Express Mail (1-2 days)

bob200587 · 01-11-2007, 10:37 PM

Here's my thread in which I came up with my decision not to run them.

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...er+experiences

I think what it boiled down to for me, was that I'm not gonna run tires big enough to really need them without SAS. And I don't need a SA because I don't like rocks....they're not very forgiving.

I'm going for more of a...camping/expedition/bug out/emergency/survival/whatever, deal

Just make sure you think everything through before buying.

Sonofmayhem · 01-12-2007, 10:45 AM

THey dont exist

8yota9 · 01-12-2007, 06:10 PM

Are they werth it? ok, i have an 89 toyota p/u v6 3.0 witch u allready no if u read the thred eneyway i got a 4" trailmaster lift with 33 12.50 on there i want more lift can i get it a cheper way other than blocks cuz i got like 4" blocks in the back allready i want like an all round front to back 2-3" inches of lift bj spacers or it there a cheper /better way and what is a good gear ratio for a mild mudder thats a dalie driver?

4Crawler · 01-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Sure, ball joint spacers can be added to a 4" IFS lift kit. All the "mild" lift options on the page below would apply as far as adding more height to an existing lift kit:
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...it.shtml#FAQ10

bob200587 · 01-13-2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8yota9

Are they werth it? ok, i have an 89 toyota p/u v6 3.0 witch u allready no if u read the thred eneyway i got a 4" trailmaster lift with 33 12.50 on there i want more lift can i get it a cheper way other than blocks cuz i got like 4" blocks in the back allready i want like an all round front to back 2-3" inches of lift bj spacers or it there a cheper /better way and what is a good gear ratio for a mild mudder thats a dalie driver?

You can reduce all those problems by getting a skinnier tire. I also would reccomend you ditch the rear blocks in favor of some shackles or an add a leaf. Or even a leaf pack if you can afford it.

If I were going to run 33x12.50s on an IFS truck. I would just get a bracket lift. I don't think BJ spacers will give you the amount you need. they may, with some trimming or banging. I wouldn't run that wide of a tire though....It's just not worth it to me. The extra width doesn't help much off road, and it just causes problems when it comes to getting the right amount of lift, etc. Because if you're using IFS then you're probably not going to see alot of rocks, otherwise you'd already have done a SAS. And if you're not doing alot of rocks, or sand (which is a different story) I'd suggest a 33x10.50. The extra 2 inches in width will probably not be as helpful in mud as it is stressful to fit. I don't think it's possible to justify the use of a 12.50 wide tire on IFS...there's just alot more effective options for each situation.

Rocks: you might as well SAS and run 35's or bigger
Sand: You could stay stock if you're not jumping, or go Long travel to fit 33x12.50 or larger. The width would be more helpful here.
Mud: I don't think 12.50 wide tires have much if any noticable advantage to 10.50 wide tires in this situation. I've seen both in action and both have performed close to equally.

Save the money and run a skinny tire. They look better anyway.

bob200587 · 01-13-2007, 01:50 AM

Also, the most used gear ratio for 33's is either 4.88 or 4.56. Since you have a 3.0 I'd say 4.88 with either auto or manual tranny. But I haven't driven a 3.0 so 5.29 might be a better ratio. better wait and see what the others say.

slosurfer · 01-13-2007, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8yota9

Are they werth it? ok, i have an 89 toyota p/u v6 3.0 witch u allready no if u read the thred eneyway i got a 4" trailmaster lift with 33 12.50 on there i want more lift can i get it a cheper way other than blocks cuz i got like 4" blocks in the back allready i want like an all round front to back 2-3" inches of lift bj spacers or it there a cheper /better way and what is a good gear ratio for a mild mudder thats a dalie driver?

I would add the bj spacers but use them for more travel not lift, then add a body lift and then something to get rid of the blocks in the rear. I think the bj spacers are worth it just for the extra travel alone, where else can you get an extra 1.5" of travel for about 100 bucks.

slosurfer · 01-13-2007, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob200587

If I were going to run 33x12.50s on an IFS truck. I would just get a bracket lift. I don't think BJ spacers will give you the amount you need. they may, with some trimming or banging. I wouldn't run that wide of a tire though....It's just not worth it to me. The extra width doesn't help much off road, and it just causes problems when it comes to getting the right amount of lift, etc. Because if you're using IFS then you're probably not going to see alot of rocks, .

There are plenty of folks running rocks in an IFS truck w/ bj spacers. MY rig is being built up as an expo/all around rig and I take it everywhere (rocks, sand, highway, etc...). I actually like the lateral stability that the 12.5's provide, especially with an already top heavy vehicle. With the correct backspaced rims and 12.5's my track is now 4in. wider than stock w/ 10.5's. Makes a huge difference offroad and onroad. I still like the 10.5's though but have noticed a difference. Plus it just looks badass! Oh yeah, the only trimming or banging I have done was to the valance.

Eventually I do want to SAS but I am amazed at what I can do in the rocks now. I want to run the dusy w/ IFS before I SAS, but we will see about that.

Bear80 · 01-13-2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob200587

Also, the most used gear ratio for 33's is either 4.88 or 4.56. Since you have a 3.0 I'd say 4.88 with either auto or manual tranny. But I haven't driven a 3.0 so 5.29 might be a better ratio. better wait and see what the others say.

The '93-95 3vze with the 340h tranny factory equiped with 31" tires will already have 4.88 gears. You will need 5.29 at least when moving to 33" tires. The 3vze with 5spd equiped with 31" tires came with 4.56 gears. I had this setup and ran a true 32" tire which was close to a radial 33" no problems. 86-92 22re or 3vze with the auto came with 4.30 gears and the 5spd came with 4.10.

BJ spacers are cheap and can give you the added down travel. To have it give improved upward travel, unload the torsion bars to set it back level and you gain more uptravel.

AxleIke · 01-13-2007, 10:14 PM

My IFS drives on the rocks....

Sonofmayhem · 01-14-2007, 12:36 AM

ya..........me too

8yota9 · 01-14-2007, 07:11 AM

how can i drop my shackles it there eney sorta kit

Cebby · 01-14-2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear80

The '93-95 3vze with the 340f tranny factory equiped with 31" tires will already have 4.88 gears.

No 4Runners before 1996 had a 340F trans. They all had 340H. Big difference.

I completely agree with the rest of what you typed. I ran 33's with 5.29 and an auto and it was strong. Surprised even me...

Bear80 · 01-14-2007, 12:41 PM

NO 1996 and up came with the 343F, and yes the olders are a 340H, not F. That was quick typo on my part.

SwampThing · 01-22-2007, 05:47 PM

Well, I've driven 33's of all widths, and like my 33x12.5x15 bfg mt's I currently have on it the best (Got em this weekend. Such a killer deal, 5 for $400. Caint get much better than that!)

It may be a psychological thing, but I notice better performance in the mud with 12.5s than 10.5s. Though by pure mathematics, its 2590.5in2 for the 33x12.5s compared to the 33x10.5's 2176.02in2 of surface area. That's 414.48in2 more tire able to push you through the mud. And a bigger surface area means less weight per square inch of tire which means you won't sink as far down with wider tires. With 33x12.5s you have a downforce of about .43psi, compared to .51psi with the 33x10.5s (4 tires, assumed weight of 4475lbs.) which means you're putting down 119% more weight per square inch with those 10.5s.

Someone double check that... Pretty sure my math is right lol

milowilli · 01-24-2007, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cebby

No 4Runners before 1996 had a 340F trans. They all had 340H. Big difference.

I completely agree with the rest of what you typed. I ran 33's with 5.29 and an auto and it was strong. Surprised even me...

I have a 1990 4runner with a A340F transmission and a 22RE.

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881stGenRunner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 2,343	http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...ljoint+spacers Not trying to bust your balls or anything, but that is one the most talked about items here on YT. A simple search for ball joint spacers will yield thousands of answers! Good Luck. __________________ -Brandon 1988 4Runner SR5 4x4 V6 5 Speed Swap (R150F)~SDORI 1.5" BJ Spacers~Downey 26MM TBs~Downey 3" Springs~Downey Shackles~PC ES3000s~PC ES2000 SS~Motive Gear 5.29s~Rear Detroit~Front Lock-Rite~Yakima Load Warrior~33x12.5 Pro Comp M/Ts~Cragar 15x8 Streetlocks~Cobra 18 WXSTII~Marlin Crawler Rear~Addicted Offroad Front Bumper~4X Innovations Sliders~WabFab Bikini Kit~Optima Yellow Top~SS IFS Truss. My 4Runner and Other Stuff

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norcalsvx Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alpine--GRASS valley, CA Posts: 2,132	they are great i love mine __________________ 1994 toy 22re- http://www.yotatech.com/f86/nocalsvx-s-94-toy-104593/ 2006 Subaru Forester XT -some mods/awd 5spd 1994 Subaru SVX- hwy runner 84 RX7- drag car build

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all_terrain17 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 748	Yep. They'll fit. Check RB's site for details... http://www.4crawler.com/ __________________ 94' Pickup

01-11-2007, 10:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,888	I have a bit of a question for alls who's been running these things. I have beaten mine up pretty good, and in my recent (an unpleasent) front joint replacement, i found that i had bent one of the BJ spacer mounting studs so badly that it is going to need to be cut out. They are an M8, 125 thread pitch, i believe. My question is, anyone have any luck finding that bolt in the length needed here? Other than ordering it online? Like to get it soon. I have both spacers out of the truck at the moment, which is kinda funny to see, but need to get them back in sooner rather than later, thanks. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

01-11-2007, 10:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,832	I can ship you a replacement or two, $2.00 via First Class mail, $6.00 via Priority Mail (2-3 days) or $16.00 via Express Mail (1-2 days) __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

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8yota9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North NJ Posts: 189	Haha its cool thanks alot sites are verry helpful

01-11-2007, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
8yota9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North NJ Posts: 189	will thease suckers fit my 89 4wd v6 3.0 and they go on the top controle arms using all other stock parts that came off like bolt up and go type thing and if eneyone who has thease could post pics that would be verry nice thanks a bunch Andrew

01-11-2007, 10:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,853	Here's my thread in which I came up with my decision not to run them. http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...er+experiences I think what it boiled down to for me, was that I'm not gonna run tires big enough to really need them without SAS. And I don't need a SA because I don't like rocks....they're not very forgiving. I'm going for more of a...camping/expedition/bug out/emergency/survival/whatever, deal Just make sure you think everything through before buying. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Flowmaster Muffler, LCE Header AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 190XXX miles

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Sonofmayhem Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Springs, Colorado Posts: 1,700	THey dont exist __________________ 4.3/5.0 Do iT!

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8yota9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North NJ Posts: 189	Are they werth it? ok, i have an 89 toyota p/u v6 3.0 witch u allready no if u read the thred eneyway i got a 4" trailmaster lift with 33 12.50 on there i want more lift can i get it a cheper way other than blocks cuz i got like 4" blocks in the back allready i want like an all round front to back 2-3" inches of lift bj spacers or it there a cheper /better way and what is a good gear ratio for a mild mudder thats a dalie driver?

01-12-2007, 06:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,832	Sure, ball joint spacers can be added to a 4" IFS lift kit. All the "mild" lift options on the page below would apply as far as adding more height to an existing lift kit: http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...it.shtml#FAQ10 __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

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bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,853	Also, the most used gear ratio for 33's is either 4.88 or 4.56. Since you have a 3.0 I'd say 4.88 with either auto or manual tranny. But I haven't driven a 3.0 so 5.29 might be a better ratio. better wait and see what the others say. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Flowmaster Muffler, LCE Header AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 190XXX miles

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AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,888	My IFS drives on the rocks.... __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

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Sonofmayhem Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Springs, Colorado Posts: 1,700	ya..........me too __________________ 4.3/5.0 Do iT!

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8yota9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North NJ Posts: 189	how can i drop my shackles it there eney sorta kit

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Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	NO 1996 and up came with the 343F, and yes the olders are a 340H, not F. That was quick typo on my part. __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

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