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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 07:08 AM
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failure to start after a long haul

New user here. reaching out to the family of experts and enthusiasts.
I have a 91 pickup, a particular issue has been occurring. After a long day of driving
the truck will just not start, all electrical comes on, but nothing turns over, there is no clicking noise either.
BUT if i sit for an hour or so, then it turns back on. Wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction on this.
many thanks.
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 08:41 AM
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It helps to know Engine Transmission and Miles ?Once we know this easier to direct your trouble shooting.

Ambient are temperature??

What troubling shooting have you done? How long has this been happening?

Cold Starts are not a problem and it always cranks after short trips ?

This only happens once parts are heat soaked after a long day 8 or more hours?

Did this ever happen in the cold temperatures below freezing?
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 09:02 AM
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Wyoming9 - thanks for your reply

It helps to know Engine Transmission and Miles ?Once we know this easier to direct your trouble shooting.

- automatic tran. 267,633 but had a rebuild about 50 k ago - V6 3.0 EFI


Ambient are temperature??

Southern california weather


What troubling shooting have you done? How long has this been happening?

starter got replaced, fuse box got replaced


Cold Starts are not a problem and it always cranks after short trips ?

it always cranks after a short trips, it’s only after driving very long distances


This only happens once parts are heat soaked after a long day 8 or more hours?

yeah


Did this ever happen in the cold temperatures below freezing?

it’s never happened in cold temperatures. Drove all around Utah over this past holiday and never once acted up
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 12:29 PM
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Not sure just why you posted a blank page saying more details
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 12:49 PM
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Weird I can see my responses to your questions - I listed them out per each question
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 01:18 PM
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 01:21 PM
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Oh! I can see his post when I quote it. Weird!
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 01:29 PM
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The text color is the problem:

Originally Posted by Dirk K
Wyoming9 - thanks for your reply

It helps to know Engine Transmission and Miles ?Once we know this easier to direct your trouble shooting.

- automatic tran. 267,633 but had a rebuild about 50 k ago - V6 3.0 EFI

Ambient are temperature??

Southern california weather

What troubling shooting have you done? How long has this been happening?

starter got replaced, fuse box got replaced

Cold Starts are not a problem and it always cranks after short trips ?

it always cranks after a short trips, it’s only after driving very long distances

This only happens once parts are heat soaked after a long day 8 or more hours?

yeah

Did this ever happen in the cold temperatures below freezing?

it’s never happened in cold temperatures. Drove all around Utah over this past holiday and never once acted up
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 05:04 PM
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Any Aftermarket skid plates they can really hold the heat?
I would look towards the neutral safety switch after the transmission and truck get heat soaked something moves enough to cause an open circuit.. Any place between the neutral safety switch and starter solenoid the wire can open causing a no crank issue

Another place The Starter Solenoid might get hot enough the plunger can not move hence no click (So many Poor quality rebuilds )

the same with the major ground connection getting hot enough to open the circuit .

All of these will work again when the cool down

The starter is not energizing something attached to the engine or transmission .

any engine or transmission problems you would still feel things try and turn .

the last thing anyone wants is to crawl under a very hot truck

Ambient are Temperature plus the heat coming off the road surface .
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 06:40 PM
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wyoming9

thanks for weighing in, this is a great starting place for me to start trouble shooting it out.
much appreciated.
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Old Aug 21, 2021 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirk K
wyoming9

thanks for weighing in, this is a great starting place for me to start trouble shooting it out.
much appreciated.
Just a thought any of the Main Ground and Positive lead to the starter if they are still original could just be getting old and brittle and the resistance increases when heat soaked.

These Long trips when things get Hot can cause strange things if you normal use is 50 to 60 miles is a big trip.
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 06:44 PM
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Good advice above. Hope you get it figured out. Just to be captain obvious, are your battery terminals and wires squeaky clean?

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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 10:48 PM
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Check is Starter Solenoid is Working

Check is Starter Solenoid is Working First:
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f199...l#post52367443


1991 Auto trans does not have starter relay. Power to starter solenoid has to travel a LOOONG way over old thin wires.
Explained in more detail here:
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...runner-307493/


THIS APPLIES TO V6 AS WELL


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Old Aug 26, 2021 | 12:53 PM
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I've noticed this issues on jeeps and my buddy's Porsche boxter. In the jeep world it's "heat soak." Engines running hot for a long time, that heat soaks into things that shouldn't be hot, then once you part and there's nothing actively cooling those things, the engine doesn't start. On jeeps it's typically the fuel rail that's the issue, and wrapping it in foil or getting a better one solves it. As far as our trucks are concerned, I would leave the truck running for 10-15 minutes after a long trip and let the truck cool itself off before cutting it off. I don't have the expertise to tell you exactly what is causing the issue, but doing this will prevent it from happening in the future. Hope this helps some.
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Old Aug 26, 2021 | 02:43 PM
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I would say heat soak too as I am experiencing this this summer....but...

He said no click sound, mine clicks (the relay not the starter) but no crank over.
I fix it the first time, 95% of the time, by hitting the side of the starter 2 or 3 times with the wood handle end of a 2# hammer .


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Old Aug 26, 2021 | 02:44 PM
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See I've never had clicks either, but again I haven't experienced this on our trucks so I don't know...
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Old Aug 27, 2021 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wyoming9

Another place The Starter Solenoid might get hot enough the plunger can not move hence no click (So many Poor quality rebuilds )
This exact thing has started happening to me this summer. I replaced my starter in november with a denso reman.

Everytime I drive a long time with engine running then turn it off, I can’t start it again until I tap it with a hammer. I think my starter didn’t like when the engine is hot for a prolonged time. You turn the key and nothing happens at all. electronics in truck light up but no crank or nothing.

The temps when it happens are 95+ and only when I have it running and driving for a while. I kept a small hammer in my truck to get it going when it decides to not start.

Just got my warranties denso in the mail today and i’ll actually be installing it tonight. Sounds like your having the same problem I am.
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