Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS

Parasitic current draw - 1986 4runner

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 29, 2019 | 08:27 AM
  #1  
Melrose 4r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 965
From: 02176
Parasitic current draw - 1986 4runner

I haven't been driving my truck through the winter and only starting it every couple weeks, but have found the battery on occasion to be down to about 11.5 volts and not strong enough to start it without a jump. So I decided to look into what may be drawing the battery down while it sits.

I measured 32 milli-amps of current draw on the power amp circuit. I have two power amps. Each one was pulling 16 mA even though they were not ON. Internet research and speaking with an IC designer here at the office determined this to be normal. For more modern cars with a lot more electrical circuitry, about 50 mA is a good rule of thumb for "normal" total parasitic draw.

I also measured 9 mA draw on the truck's main circuitry. There were 2 fuses (lower right and lower left) in the kick panel fuse box that I determined each circuit was pulling 4.5 mA. (I will report back on what these circuits were labelled...I forget...)

What I decided to do was put a battery terminal switch on the ground and lift it cutting all power when I know I won't be driving the truck for weeks. The clock will lose time, but that's no big deal.

If anybody else wants to check and report back with the parasitic draw on their stock trucks, please do so. It would help others to know what the baseline current draw should be. Have your key out of the ignition, doors closed or door light switch OFF, power amps or other accessories, under hood lights etc, off(pull the fuses for power amps). Your multimeter should be set to amps DC with the leads in the correct sockets, and goes between the + (or - , your choice) battery terminal and its cable. As my tech school teacher used to say, "remember...voltage across, current through."

Last edited by Melrose 4r; Mar 29, 2019 at 09:36 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2019 | 12:53 PM
  #2  
RAD4Runner's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 7,125
Likes: 681
Good post to have baseline for normal systems!
Originally Posted by Melrose 4r
...I measured 32 milli-amps of current draw on the power amp circuit....
I would consider a relay that turns on when head unit is turned on, or when IgN is out in accessory on, or maybe controlled by power antenna signal?

...I also measured 9 mA draw on the truck's main circuitry. There were 2 fuses (lower right and lower left) in the kick panel fuse box that I determined each circuit was pulling 4.5 mA. (I will report back on what these circuits were labelled...
One would be steady power to ECU. Another steady power from hazard fuse to radio head unit.
I know its confusing; Toyota liked to power circuits from normally unrelated fuses. I.e., turn signals, backup light, 4WD indicator from "engine" fuse.
Also names a fuse "charge" when that fuse does not ENABLE charging.
Also causes a fault light come one for something unrelated. I.e., "brake" light comes on when there is a charging system fault - DUH!
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2019 | 01:24 PM
  #3  
Melrose 4r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 965
From: 02176
Excellent! Thank you for the help, Ray.

On the power amps, there is a switched "sense" line that is only on when the ignition is ON. Then they power up. I don't actually run a head unit for the power amps, just a blue tooth receiver to the power amps and my iphone is the head unit. No way to get them down to zero mA draw though, short of pulling their fuses out. So I'll leave them as-is and operate the battery disconnect for long periods of storage. I do have the factory AM/FM radio in place too.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2019 | 04:08 PM
  #4  
wallytoo's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,935
Likes: 842
From: nh
you could utilize a small solar maintainer/charger for when you don’t drive it for a few weeks. i purchased several through NH Tool. doesn’t answer the question of baseline para draw, but it works to keep the battery charged.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2019 | 08:16 AM
  #5  
rsmdon's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 81
Likes: 15
From: Billings Mt
My 88 4runner with 3.4l swap draws 7.5 miliamp.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2019 | 03:47 PM
  #6  
Paul22RE's Avatar
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 605
Likes: 159
From: NNJ
Originally Posted by wallytoo
you could utilize a small solar maintainer/charger
A solar maintainer is a great option. I keep one hanging off the passenger headrest and plugged into an always-hot lighter socket.

Last edited by Paul22RE; Mar 31, 2019 at 03:56 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2019 | 06:08 PM
  #7  
Melrose 4r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 965
From: 02176
Originally Posted by wallytoo
you could utilize a small solar maintainer/charger for when you don’t drive it for a few weeks. i purchased several through NH Tool. doesn’t answer the question of baseline para draw, but it works to keep the battery charged.
cool idea, thanks
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2019 | 06:14 PM
  #8  
Melrose 4r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 965
From: 02176
On my fuse box, it was the “EFI” and “IGN” circuits where i found 4.5 mA draw each.

Reply
Old Oct 11, 2019 | 10:39 AM
  #9  
RAD4Runner's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 7,125
Likes: 681
Rad4runner's 1986 4runner draws 20-ma

Hi folks.
Just for the heck of it, I measured my truck's current draw with ignition switch off and I got 20 mA. I think that's for the following:
1) ECU memory
2) Radio memory

OOPS! I should have also done measurements with ACC on and IGN on. Oh well...

Here's test setup for everyone's convenience:






keywords: batterycircuit, currentdraw, powerdistribution, battery circuit, current draw, power distribution

Last edited by RAD4Runner; Oct 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2019 | 04:22 AM
  #10  
Melrose 4r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 965
From: 02176
I should add to this post that since then, i have changed the battery and also done Rad4runner’s “click no start” circuit mod and that made the truck start much better(perfectly in fact!), so i believe because of that, it will now start better even under conditions when the battery may be a bit low from being parked for long periods of time.
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2019 | 08:34 AM
  #11  
RAD4Runner's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 7,125
Likes: 681
Originally Posted by Melrose 4r
...even under conditions when the battery may be a bit low from being parked for long periods of time.
#rad4runner after sitting for 3 months.
(battery disconnected while in-op)
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
richeaus
95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners
4
May 11, 2018 10:31 PM
runs-on-4
General Electrical & Lighting Related Topics
11
Dec 6, 2010 10:41 PM
toomster
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
6
Oct 28, 2008 06:45 PM
Mulkey
95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners
9
Dec 25, 2007 07:29 AM
BTOWN4RUNNER
95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners
8
Mar 8, 2003 09:21 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:19 PM.