Has anyone installed a wideband on their truck with the 22RE motor?

I was thinking this would be a good idea to find out what air/fuel ratio I should be at and use the wide band to help me monitor it and see where I'm at so when I adjust my AFM, I can dial it in more accurately and be more spot on instead of just guessing by ear and feel of it you know.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

I haven't installed on on my truck, YET! But I have installed it them on other vehicles. I'm planning on installing a Innovate LC-1 on my truck, the same setup I have in my car. It replaces your stock narrowband O2 sensor and has two outputs, one for the ECU and one to the gauge. The kit with gauge and sensor goes for $190.

 

Technically speaking, you want to be as close to 14.7 to 1 as possible. That is the perfect air/fuel ratio. That applies to combustion though not mileage. That's for you to find out. A vacuum gauge is a good tool to have if you're going for mileage. I would do that before I did a wideband. Heck of a lot cheaper and tells me a good bit about my engine condition.

 

Maybe I'll try the vacuum gauge first and see if that helps. I do wanna know my a/f though so maybe do both. I was thinking just the cheaper glow shift setups.

 

If you just want a general idea of your AF ratio, you could always use a narrow band. Wide band is the only accurate way to tune though.

As a side note, there are two companies (that I know of) that make fitted gauge pillars for these trucks if you're interested:

http://www.truckpillars.com/page0/page0.html

http://www.gaugepods.com/toyota.html

 

The Innovate LC-1 like STRYKERSD recommended is the best. I have one installed with my Nitous control and it is both fast and accurate. It is also programmable.

 

Where is the best placement of a wideband? On the collector of the header or close to the o2 sensor location on the header?

 

I'm trying to decide if I can get away with a narrow band a/f ratio gauge for adjusting my afm or if I would be better off getting the wideband.

Narrow band is 60 bucks, wide band is 150-200 bucks. Both not including shipping.

I am gonna get a vacuum gauge and one other gauge to fill my three pods on the dash but not sure which one yet.

I found this wideband for a good price I'm looking at getting.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/INNOVATE-379...#ht_500wt_1180

I like the glowshift idea knowing they all match for most part despite glowshift wideband being 199.00 but it comes with visible and audio warnings high and low and recall function for highest peak and you can change colors.

I would be nice to install a new fuel level gauge if it would be worth doing so. Not sure it hook it to stock setup or if can add a better level detector or what.

I'm gonna get a new water temp gauge to replace the one I have on the left of the steering console.
I think I will do oil temp, wide band, and vacuum (probably get a boost/vac gauge since I will be putting a turbo on soon) gauges in my 3-pod.
Maybe later on I can do a voltage gauge and fuel pressure gauge when I install a walbro 240 pump and maybe some bigger injectors to go with my bigger tb and afm and intake with some upgraded fuel lines with return line and fuel regulator.

 

Wideband Oxygen sensors are a little more sensitive to the exhaust heat and stop functioning sometimes. I have mine located about 8" from the exhaust header flange and incorporated a heat sink / shield. Whem I had it closer to the header flange it would stop working sometime. Follow the instructions from the manufacturer.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Bump your timing to about 7-8 degrees for base timing and 2 gear teeth rich on the AFM. Don't waste your money on a wideband for a NA 22re. Chasing AFR numbers on a 22re with a intake/cam/exhaust is a waste of time and money. Even when you get a new thorley header, newer intake, 5MGE AFM, and newer head, a wideband won't help you much.

 

Ok I will put it back up to about 8 degrees and see how it likes it there. I have no idea where stock setting on the afm is. It was never marked, and I was never told. I have been adjusting it by ear and how it revs and how sluggish or not it drives and if it smells like too much fuel or not. I've been making marks to where I have tried it and marking most lean and most rich positions so far. I'm sure it will change once I advance the timing and have to re-adjust and re-mark the gear but shouldn't be too hard.

I just thought with a wide band it would be easier and quicker to adjust the afm and get it to where it needs to be with less hassle.

I wonder if there is a way to tell where the stock setting on the gear is for the afm? Like if you wind or unwind it all the way, how many teeth or complete full turns to get to where it is. If not, I am stuck to playing by ear, smell, and how it drives and only getting in the ball park.

 

Timing provides more power then air/fuel ratios. Your best bet is just to look at your spark plugs. If they are a nice brownish/white color on the tips and black around the insulator you are in the ballpark range you need to be in.

 

Yeah I know how to check it that way. Tedious task to make adjustments then run hot and check the plugs and see and make more adjustments if needed but the only way I really have to tell seems like.

Is there some kind of chart for timing with certain mods on these motors or certain cams ect...? I am going to try and find out what cam I have so I can contact the LC place to verify info and what they may suggest for timing. I appreciate the info, it's a good start to help get me in the ball park.

 

I run 30-32 degrees total timing with it all in at about 2000 RPM. Total timing is the best way to setup for maximum power. You can purchase a timing light at Sears that measures total timing. LC Engineering will tell you the same thing. If your engine is stock they will probably recommend a stage 3 cam or less.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

So I have an 89 Truck with the 22re motor and I just bought a cheap Sunpro CP 8210 AFR gauge like the sell at autozone. The say it is narrow band, but I have it wired up and it don't work. Is a 89 a narrow band setup? It seems like from reading wideband is in newer trucks. Can someone confirm for me which is which and what is what?
Thanks Kindly
David

 

To the best of my knowledege all factory units use Narrow Band sensors. I use a Wideband system because of running dual Webers and Nitrous. My A/F gauge is tied into a controller on my Nitrous system. I have used both Narrow and Wideband systems and found it much easier to tune my motor with the Wideband system.

 

Thanks for the reply. I gathered from reading that it is narrow band. The gauge I bought is suppose to be narrow band. I really don't need to go to a wide band setup. I just want a cheapy gauge so I can monitor things. What I am doing is putting a wood gasifier on my truck. You all may or may not have heard of these, but when done I will be driving the little truck gas free running on woodgas fumes. I just need the simple little narrow band gauge to give somewhat of a reading of when I am running rich or lean and be able to compare it to the temps my wood gasifier is running. Can you confirm the color coding on the narrow band sensor? From what I read the blue wire on the sensor is hooked to a black on the vehicle harness side, and that is the wire that carries signal to the computer. My SunPro direction said this is the wire I was suppose to tap, but my gauge just dont' work. I am scratching my head trying to figuer it out.
Thanks for all your help.
David