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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:45 PM
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WELL.. only time will tell I do suppose but I truly do want to lean in your directin because it makes me sleep better...Ill check the valve train then go from there thanks for putt'n up with me...
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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Nope sorry... DISHED? Is that all you got? (lol) That don't mean a dang thing!


The 3.0 is the non-interference, not the 22R/E.

Show me one member with a bent valve picture on the whole site then.

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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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Not to get in the middle of this pissing match. But I have seen non interference motors (not necessarily a 22re) bend valves under the right circumstances. For example, if you belt / chain breaks at low rpm you would be fine, but if it broke at or near red-line the the velocity alone CAN send the valves into the pistons. I'm just sayin'.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HighLux
Show me one member with a bent valve picture on the whole site then.

Mr Mouth.
um if it's a non-interference motor then why to the "dished" pistons have valve reliefs cut in them? this is so the pistons don't hit the valves when at TDC exhaust stroke then the exhaust valves are open. you break a timing chain and under the right circumstances piston will hit valve. it's just rare.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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Yeah my Powerplant teacher in tech school had a piston with a valve smashed into on his desk. It was sweet.

Im just trying to see whats wrong with this guys motor.

I dont just dash in to show everyone Im right about something...I try and help the person.

He needs to figure out if the chain is even broke first before worrying about valves.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HighLux
Show me one member with a bent valve picture on the whole site then.

Mr Mouth.
It's prolly somewhere near the valve relief cuts in those "dished" pistons...

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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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Not to get in the middle of this pissing match. But I have seen non interference motors (not necessarily a 22re) bend valves under the right circumstances. For example, if you belt / chain breaks at low rpm you would be fine, but if it broke at or near red-line the the velocity alone CAN send the valves into the pistons. I'm just sayin'.
You are totally correct. If you mill heads enough you sure can turn negative (non) interference motors into positive...


That is 100% correct.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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I said member....here...that valve dropped anyway...i saw that thread on ihatemud
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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^^ True, we should help the guy.

I think he is at B-TDC and his chain is intact. If the distributor is turning as he says then it isn't broken.

I would start with the basics & check for spark & fuel
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HighLux

He needs to figure out if the chain is even broke first before worrying about valves.

Right. Which is why I added not to assume they're bent, and for him to remove his VC.


A compression test will yield the nail in the coffin.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Well lets agree to disagree....Ill believe you when I bend a valve.....lol


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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Sorry.. The starter turns alnost a whine, the engine does not seem to be turning as it should (quick enough) the rotor is turning but it does not fire or act as if it even wants to start.

The distributor rotor I assume? That means the timing chain is not broken.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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I am gettin spark 1st thing I checked gettin fuel,could smell it,(how else can you tell) the codes I received were 5,6,10,11,12 make any sense to me, kinda jibberish to me but Im not in the know thats why Im, on here gett'n info from those who are Thanks again!!!
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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well I guess we dont have to worry bout the chain....lol
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HighLux
Well lets agree to disagree....Ill believe you when I bend a valve.....lol



Well, since my hands were tired with "from this site"

Here's a thread for you, from this site... Not at all sure why it's in "95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners" though...



is the 22re an interference engine (not a stupid question)


And another... https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/q...-engine-15654/

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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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I am gettin spark 1st thing I checked gettin fuel,could smell it,(how else can you tell) the codes I received were 5,6,10,11,12 make any sense to me, kinda jibberish to me but Im not in the know thats why Im, on here gett'n info from those who are Thanks again!!!
Google the codes & let us know what they are.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Let me get this straight if I set the crank pulley at "0" with the mark and pull the distributor cap the rotor should be about @ 11 0'clock or #1 cylinder correct?? if not then what??
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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correct
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Yes! but only true for the compression stroke, you are at DTC of the exhaust stroke which is why it is pointing at #3. Spin it one more full turn & it will be pointing at #1.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by yotarob2005
Yes! but only true for the compression stroke
Right, and OP, 4 cylinder 4 cycle engine... With a 1, 3, 4, 2 firing order...

Though the physical piston will be at "TDC" it could be at a different process in the 4 cycle process.

And how you tell that is by the brains of the operation... The cam.

If the cam dowel is at 12:00 it's at TDC. #1 is set at it's compression stroke.

If the cam is at 6:00 and the crank is still at 0, it's at B-TDC. #4 is at it's compression stroke, and #1 is at it's exhaust...

And it's because of this, the problem of confusing #1 with #4 happens all the time.

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