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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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Setting up new SATAs

Right now on my PC I am running one Seagate 80 GB hard drive, non SATA, on my Asus P4P800 mobo.
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/sock...d/overview.htm

It supports SATA drives.
In the not so far distant future, I want to add two of these Seagates.
http://www.infotechnow.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1895

I want to set these up in a RAID 0 so they combine to 320 GB as one C drive.
But, I do not want to format again, just did it a month ago.
When setting up the two new drives, is there a way to copy the contents of my current C drive to these new ones after they are formatted by their disc utility before you enter Windows?

This way the info will all be there and no reinstallation of Windows.
If this works, then I would wipe my old C drive which no doubt would become the D drive, and use it for back up.
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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Use Norton ghost. Have the seagate 80gig as the source drive. And the 320 raid-0 array as the destination drive. Your going to need 3 drives physically to make this happen. Just make sure you install the drivers for the sata controller on the array in windows so its recognizable.

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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 02:17 PM
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Can this not be done without having to shell out bucks for a 3rd party program?
Also I do not like to have any Norton software on my PC.

I have heard to many horror stories from Norton anti virus users, and other software Norton has.

Drivers, such as the small ones you put on a floppy and hit the F6 key before Windows, or a bigger software file that you load from Windows first?

I know nothing about SATA drives other than helping member Drew setup his new PC the other day with two Western Digital 10K RPM Raptors.

I knew that he had to press F6 to load the drivers from a floppy after XP Pro prompted him during XPs installation.
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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Corey -

Just wanted to share a bit of info right off the top of my head... check this site: www.blackviper.com. I know I've read info about setting up SATA drives there, and that guy personally has his drives set up the way you want.
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Corey
Can this not be done without having to shell out bucks for a 3rd party program?
Also I do not like to have any Norton software on my PC.

I have heard to many horror stories from Norton anti virus users, and other software Norton has.

Drivers, such as the small ones you put on a floppy and hit the F6 key before Windows, or a bigger software file that you load from Windows first?

I know nothing about SATA drives other than helping member Drew setup his new PC the other day with two Western Digital 10K RPM Raptors.

I knew that he had to press F6 to load the drivers from a floppy after XP Pro prompted him during XPs installation.

I can give you ghost for free fits on a floppy. PM me with your email so i can upload it!.
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Churnd
Corey -

Just wanted to share a bit of info right off the top of my head... check this site: www.blackviper.com. I know I've read info about setting up SATA drives there, and that guy personally has his drives set up the way you want.
Chris, his site is huge.
You gotta link to his info?
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Corey
Chris, his site is huge.
You gotta link to his info?
I know it's huge, that's why I can't find the info. :pat: You could try emailing him and see what happens...

About not reformatting... My roommate just bought a Seagate hard drive for his machine which I installed, and the drive came with utilities that let you clone your old drive onto your new one. BUT, we were going from IDE to IDE, so the connections were the same and I'm sure this saved a lot of headaches.

What I would do if I were you... go ahead and get the drives. Seagate usually includes very good documentation with their stuff, so you might be able to just figure it out from their manuals. If not, the answer IS out there somewhere. :alien:
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 04:40 AM
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I think my P4P800 Ausu mobo only supports RAID 0 according to the book.
This is the RAID I want, and there are only two connectors on the mobo for SATAs.



More specs
http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...eluxe&langs=09

Via the south bridge it supports RAID 0.
I do not know anything about the Promise controller they mention.

What I will end up doing maybe is just use them for the D drive and keep my current C drive as C.

Then in the future when I reformat I will set the SATA twins up as one big C drive instead.

I do not want to format again, as I just went through this the day after the Fall Colors run.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 06:04 PM
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Here ya go, Corey...

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=830
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Old Nov 23, 2004 | 04:38 PM
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Greetings,
RAID 0 has no redundancy, just speed. I hope thats what your looking for. As far as the IDE to SATA ghost clone, it will work just fine. It really does not matter which way you want to tranfer the data either. You can set the boot parameters for the SATA or IDE in the BIOS. ( I have the same mobo and just installed 2 120 gig drives as a raid 0, works nice)
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Old Nov 24, 2004 | 07:13 AM
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Stuipid question time. If I run 2 phisical drives on RAID 0 than create 2 logical drives partitions will the partitions be split evenly over the two drives? Most of my adobe software likes to be on a differant drive than the operting system. I just starting to put my next system to gether. I'm getting this MB
ASUS

I'm sure I'll figure it out when I acually recieve the board. I've never phisically delt with a RAID system. With this set up are the hard drives daisy chained on one channel then hook the CD rom's to the secondary ide channel? Or is the same phisical set up on a traditional ide setup.
ide channel 0 master HD slave cd rom ide channel 1 master hd slave cd-rom

oh my bad. I guess it doen't matter you assigh what channel does what in the bios. right on
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Greetings,
RAID 0 has no redundancy, just speed. I hope thats what your looking for. As far as the IDE to SATA ghost clone, it will work just fine. It really does not matter which way you want to tranfer the data either. You can set the boot parameters for the SATA or IDE in the BIOS. ( I have the same mobo and just installed 2 120 gig drives as a raid 0, works nice)

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Old Nov 24, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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right, But by putting it on a sepreate partition is thinks its on a differant drive and stops the little warning about thing being on the same drive. I'm not worried about data loss since I almost religouly back all files up on a usb hard drive that is disconnected from everything. I'm doing the raid strickly for performance.

Originally Posted by jruz
Your Adobe stuff recommends the separate drive setup for performance reasons. Partitioning a RAID-0 volume will not give the same effect. If I were you, I would either add a third drive or skip the RAID-0 altogether. If you do go with 3 drives, then there would be on drive for the O/S and two for RAID-0 (with Adobe, etc.).

Another reason to skip RAID-0: you are effectively doubling your chances of data loss. If either drive dies, your array is toast (along with any data).

Jim
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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 08:00 AM
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both
Originally Posted by jruz
So are we talking video editing or large Photoshop files? Just curious...

Jim
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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Been doing some reading on Seagate's site.
I already have the Disc Wizard CD they mention, and from reading it, the program will offer to copy my old hard drive to the new one, and also to make the SATA the boot drive after I shut down the PC and make the jumper and BIOS changes.
Doe not look like I need any other program except for the Disc Wizard one.

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...ta_detect.html

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...se_dw2002.html

If I go SATA, I am only going to put one in now, and use my present 80 GB one for misc. files, patches, ect, while making the SATA one the boot drive.
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Old Dec 16, 2004 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Corey
If I go SATA, I am only going to put one in now, and use my present 80 GB one for misc. files, patches, ect, while making the SATA one the boot drive.

my mb also supports two sata drives for either raid 0 or 1. i'm not too interested in raid, but would like to use a sata drive. so can you use 1 sata drive as primary one for installing the os and everything, and still use the ide drives for storage? that would be groovy, then i could add some more storage.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 02:21 AM
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Yep, that 2nd link in my post above explains how to do it.
This is exactly what I am going to do now.

I will put in a Seagate 160 to 200 GB SATA drive, and use the Disc Wiz to copy the contents of my current C drive to it.

Then the SATA will be setup from the BIOS to be the C drive, and the current old one set to the D drive.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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sounds good Corey.

I think i might get two of the 80g seagate 7200 sata drives in a few months and try out a raid 0 deal. reading through the reviews on newegg has got me interested. it sounds like there's a good performance increase just by going to a sata drive.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 04:19 AM
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Right on.
I always read the reviews over at the 'Egg.

I am sticking with Seagate too, as I have had very good luck with them, and they are very quiet drives.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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i just helped my bro-in-law buy some new hardware. he's getting an asus mb with the nvidia2 chipset and an athlon64 3000. he wanted to get a raptor 10k drive. i was reading through harddrive stuff and read on multiple newegg reviews how raiding 2 sata drives in 0 can nearly match a 10k non-raid drive in performance.

so he ordered 2 seagate 7200 sata drives ( http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...148-040&depa=1 ) for a raid 0.

i've never tried a raid config, so we thought it might be interesting to try out. he won't do much on it other than websurf and digital photo stuff. but wanted to do it anyways.

so i was reading on anandtech.com's forum about sata and raid 0 and folks there said there is little performance gain with rading to 7200 sata drives (other than for very large file manipulation) but a single 10k drive has great performance gain.

therefore i don't know what to do now. i wouldn't mind buying 1 of the drives off him for myself and having him order a smaller 36g raptor for the OS and use the 80g for storage.

any thoughts on what is best for performance?
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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do the 2 segates in raid. one 10K is noisey as hell. Youe really wouldn't notice either way in performance until you stated manipulating large 25mb+ video files or windows taking 2 min less time to install

oh you did. I'll shut up now

Originally Posted by luvmytruck
i just helped my bro-in-law buy some new hardware. he's getting an asus mb with the nvidia2 chipset and an athlon64 3000. he wanted to get a raptor 10k drive. i was reading through harddrive stuff and read on multiple newegg reviews how raiding 2 sata drives in 0 can nearly match a 10k non-raid drive in performance.

so he ordered 2 seagate 7200 sata drives ( http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...148-040&depa=1 ) for a raid 0.

i've never tried a raid config, so we thought it might be interesting to try out. he won't do much on it other than websurf and digital photo stuff. but wanted to do it anyways.

so i was reading on anandtech.com's forum about sata and raid 0 and folks there said there is little performance gain with rading to 7200 sata drives (other than for very large file manipulation) but a single 10k drive has great performance gain.

therefore i don't know what to do now. i wouldn't mind buying 1 of the drives off him for myself and having him order a smaller 36g raptor for the OS and use the 80g for storage.

any thoughts on what is best for performance?
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