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09-29-2007, 04:54 PM
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On other boards we have zero issues with politics, everyone discusses and those who keep getting shut down shut up eventually. Problem here I noticed is (no offense) but Canadians think they know better than us. In each and every thread the fire was poked around with a Canadian trying to explain to us why X politician or person is an idiot and how they know allt he answers to our problems. The last one was just this kinda thing.
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so yes, blame the Canadian people on the board for saying anything and "poking the fire" about a situation that also affects us .(we have soldiers in that place called Afghanistan), and then say no offense?
Typical americans, blame everyone else (no offense).
09-29-2007, 04:58 PM
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An instigator is an instigator, and a jerk is a jerk, no matter what country they are from, and really the nation shouldnt matter. If you have an issue with a few people, name their names,,dont just clump all of us Canadians with a jerk or instigator, as im sure you didnt appreciate the "Typical americans, blame everyone else" remark...My apologies for that..merely as a point that jerks are born everywhere
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09-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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Ron Paul- Hope for America
Dr. Ron Paul for President of the United States of America in 2008
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Ron Paul vs. the Neocon Cowards
Let’s say it straight out: Virtually every architect and supporter of today’s neo-con-game of endless war is a coward.
Why? Because anyone who advocates a policy of military invasion, yet studiously avoids joining the soldiers on the battlefield, is, by definition, a coward.
What kind of a person believes that a cause is worth (someone else) dying for, yet not only refuses to face the "enemy," but remains, at all times, in the cool shadow of security? I’ll tell you what kind – a coward.
What kind of a person can’t wait to send America’s youth to die in Iraq for a series of absurd, constantly evolving fabrications, yet finds it more prudent to receive lobbyists than to fire a rifle? I’ll tell you what kind – a raw coward.
We’ve all heard the deranged platitudes: "Sorry I can’t join ya over there...but I’ll be stayin’ here, representin’ ya, makin’ sure the homeland is secure, and that the economy stays on track. Believe me, I’m gonna be doin’ everything I can to keep you and your buddies well-supplied – with everything you need for victory. So...God’s speed. We’ll all be thinkin’ about ya. And prayin’ for ya. You’re all just fabulous!"
Another classic: "I’ve already served my country in the military. I’ve done my duty. Now, someone else can do his. I’m entitled to voice my support for this war. But, right now, I’m just too old to return to battle! And too busy with my job!"
And my all-time favorite? "Well...I haven’t really had any military training. I think it’s best to leave the actual fighting to professionals."
How much training does it take to blow a hole in an eight-year-old girl?
So...soccer mom, construction worker, US Senator, software engineer, grade school teacher, Vice-President of the United States, young, old...whatever you are. You think defeating worldwide "terrorism" is a life-or-death issue for America? Then put your courage where your mouth is.
Join-up, or shut-up.
Just look around. And listen. Listen to all of America’s neo-conned, warriors-in-theory. Their numbers are legion. They’re in Congress. They’re in the White House. They’re wearing the black robes of justice. They’re walking the streets of America, safely preaching genocide. What do they all have in common?
There’s never a doubt, and never a scratch. Cowards, each and every one.
I hereby issue a challenge: I challenge any supporter of our current Middle East blood fest to tell me exactly why he is still here – and not over there.
Do you hear a sudden eerie silence? Of course you do. It’s the silence of cowards.
Have you noticed how the rationale for war these days is becoming less and less important? At this very moment, we are committing mass-extermination in Iraq – for no discernable reason whatsoever.
Except for one – profit.
When our nation’s very existence rests in the balance (as the "War on Terror" drum-beaters repeatedly claim), precisely why is any kind of profit-taking permitted? Why isn’t the military-industrial complex offering its materials and services at cost?
This is a question the cowards would rather not answer, because answering it would reveal the truth: If you take the profit out of war...there is no war. Today’s cowardly patriotism resides only within the perimeter of profit – and safety.
And there’s also a corollary, just for cowards: If you require those calling loudest for war to fire the first shot, the guns remain silent.
Our "War on Terror" has absolutely nothing to do with "terrorists." It has absolutely nothing to do with preventing another 9/11. (The proof? The neo-cowards’ refusal to secure our wide-open borders, due to their love affair with slave labor.) It has nothing to do with a "Clash of Civilizations."
It has everything to do with making money. Lots and lots of money. (And let’s never forget: There’s oil in them-thar hills!)
And it has to do with a new type of "failure." Just as cowardice is now the new bravery, today, failure has also been rebranded. It’s now called "success."
The more American soldiers who die, the longer that innocent blood is spilled, the longer the cycle of destruction and rebuilding, in other words, the longer the horror – the bigger the profit. A normal person believes that he is witnessing chaos in Iraq. Not at all. Success is everywhere in sight.
Of course, it’s a coward’s success. And a coward’s profit.
With every gut-shot Iraqi child, limp in a grieving parent’s arms, we see a bullet that is sold. And a profit that is made. With every suffering, limbless soldier, the military-industrial complex sees a reason to persist. And finds more profits to be made. With every tank that’s ripped-apart, with every screaming, dying civilian, the White House imagines a "surge" that is working. And sees a profit for a friend.
A government that endorses mass murder for profit, and calls it war, deserves no latitude. It deserves a cage.
And so do we, if we stand by in passive assent. Every American deserves what he tolerates. The time for tolerance is over.
There’s only one candidate for President of the United States in 2008 who has the depth of understanding, and the character, necessary to place meaningful restraints upon our profit-centered system of cowardly warmongering – Ron Paul.
Positions of Dr. Paul’s that would help achieve this objective include:
1. Getting rid of the Federal Reserve, which functions as the financial enabler of war, as well as its head-coach.
2. Forcing politicians in favor of war to make a formal declaration of war, as specified in the Constitution.
To which I would add:
3. Patriotism requires that the profit-motive be put-aside in time of war. Therefore, financially profiting from a soldier’s courage, and, possibly, from the sacrifice of a soldier’s life, should be forbidden by law.
4. By law, every elected representative espousing war must either personally ship-off to battle, or, send a close family member in his stead.
The Ron Paul Revolution is, among other things, a revolution to reclaim our original American spirit, a spirit mangled, at least since the time of Lincoln, by the passive acceptance, and tacit encouragement, of state-sponsored mass-murder for profit.
With God’s help, it is a revolution that will come to pass
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU[/YOUTUBE]
Vote!
Ron Paul vs. the Neocon Cowards
Let’s say it straight out: Virtually every architect and supporter of today’s neo-con-game of endless war is a coward.
Why? Because anyone who advocates a policy of military invasion, yet studiously avoids joining the soldiers on the battlefield, is, by definition, a coward.
What kind of a person believes that a cause is worth (someone else) dying for, yet not only refuses to face the "enemy," but remains, at all times, in the cool shadow of security? I’ll tell you what kind – a coward.
What kind of a person can’t wait to send America’s youth to die in Iraq for a series of absurd, constantly evolving fabrications, yet finds it more prudent to receive lobbyists than to fire a rifle? I’ll tell you what kind – a raw coward.
We’ve all heard the deranged platitudes: "Sorry I can’t join ya over there...but I’ll be stayin’ here, representin’ ya, makin’ sure the homeland is secure, and that the economy stays on track. Believe me, I’m gonna be doin’ everything I can to keep you and your buddies well-supplied – with everything you need for victory. So...God’s speed. We’ll all be thinkin’ about ya. And prayin’ for ya. You’re all just fabulous!"
Another classic: "I’ve already served my country in the military. I’ve done my duty. Now, someone else can do his. I’m entitled to voice my support for this war. But, right now, I’m just too old to return to battle! And too busy with my job!"
And my all-time favorite? "Well...I haven’t really had any military training. I think it’s best to leave the actual fighting to professionals."
How much training does it take to blow a hole in an eight-year-old girl?
So...soccer mom, construction worker, US Senator, software engineer, grade school teacher, Vice-President of the United States, young, old...whatever you are. You think defeating worldwide "terrorism" is a life-or-death issue for America? Then put your courage where your mouth is.
Join-up, or shut-up.
Just look around. And listen. Listen to all of America’s neo-conned, warriors-in-theory. Their numbers are legion. They’re in Congress. They’re in the White House. They’re wearing the black robes of justice. They’re walking the streets of America, safely preaching genocide. What do they all have in common?
There’s never a doubt, and never a scratch. Cowards, each and every one.
I hereby issue a challenge: I challenge any supporter of our current Middle East blood fest to tell me exactly why he is still here – and not over there.
Do you hear a sudden eerie silence? Of course you do. It’s the silence of cowards.
Have you noticed how the rationale for war these days is becoming less and less important? At this very moment, we are committing mass-extermination in Iraq – for no discernable reason whatsoever.
Except for one – profit.
When our nation’s very existence rests in the balance (as the "War on Terror" drum-beaters repeatedly claim), precisely why is any kind of profit-taking permitted? Why isn’t the military-industrial complex offering its materials and services at cost?
This is a question the cowards would rather not answer, because answering it would reveal the truth: If you take the profit out of war...there is no war. Today’s cowardly patriotism resides only within the perimeter of profit – and safety.
And there’s also a corollary, just for cowards: If you require those calling loudest for war to fire the first shot, the guns remain silent.
Our "War on Terror" has absolutely nothing to do with "terrorists." It has absolutely nothing to do with preventing another 9/11. (The proof? The neo-cowards’ refusal to secure our wide-open borders, due to their love affair with slave labor.) It has nothing to do with a "Clash of Civilizations."
It has everything to do with making money. Lots and lots of money. (And let’s never forget: There’s oil in them-thar hills!)
And it has to do with a new type of "failure." Just as cowardice is now the new bravery, today, failure has also been rebranded. It’s now called "success."
The more American soldiers who die, the longer that innocent blood is spilled, the longer the cycle of destruction and rebuilding, in other words, the longer the horror – the bigger the profit. A normal person believes that he is witnessing chaos in Iraq. Not at all. Success is everywhere in sight.
Of course, it’s a coward’s success. And a coward’s profit.
With every gut-shot Iraqi child, limp in a grieving parent’s arms, we see a bullet that is sold. And a profit that is made. With every suffering, limbless soldier, the military-industrial complex sees a reason to persist. And finds more profits to be made. With every tank that’s ripped-apart, with every screaming, dying civilian, the White House imagines a "surge" that is working. And sees a profit for a friend.
A government that endorses mass murder for profit, and calls it war, deserves no latitude. It deserves a cage.
And so do we, if we stand by in passive assent. Every American deserves what he tolerates. The time for tolerance is over.
There’s only one candidate for President of the United States in 2008 who has the depth of understanding, and the character, necessary to place meaningful restraints upon our profit-centered system of cowardly warmongering – Ron Paul.
Positions of Dr. Paul’s that would help achieve this objective include:
1. Getting rid of the Federal Reserve, which functions as the financial enabler of war, as well as its head-coach.
2. Forcing politicians in favor of war to make a formal declaration of war, as specified in the Constitution.
To which I would add:
3. Patriotism requires that the profit-motive be put-aside in time of war. Therefore, financially profiting from a soldier’s courage, and, possibly, from the sacrifice of a soldier’s life, should be forbidden by law.
4. By law, every elected representative espousing war must either personally ship-off to battle, or, send a close family member in his stead.
The Ron Paul Revolution is, among other things, a revolution to reclaim our original American spirit, a spirit mangled, at least since the time of Lincoln, by the passive acceptance, and tacit encouragement, of state-sponsored mass-murder for profit.
With God’s help, it is a revolution that will come to pass
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09-29-2007, 06:11 PM
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Personally I don't view most of the political threads, I don't understand why people think that Yotatech is the best place for these threads. I simply skip over the threads i do not wish to read 
The problem is many of the heated political threads spill over onto other completely different threads. As the mods here are short staffed they do not have time to comb each thread for angry spill over from other political threads.
So I personally don't care much about political threads, BUT if they can't keep it good natured (which most members obviously can't) and keep disagreements between members in the proper threads than I also don't have a problem telling members to take debates about US or other country’s politics to another better suited board. Remember this is yotatech!
(by the way Cory, i may not agree with your political viewpoints but you are definitely a VERY fair mod and i applaud your effort to keep the peace!!)
The problem is many of the heated political threads spill over onto other completely different threads. As the mods here are short staffed they do not have time to comb each thread for angry spill over from other political threads.
So I personally don't care much about political threads, BUT if they can't keep it good natured (which most members obviously can't) and keep disagreements between members in the proper threads than I also don't have a problem telling members to take debates about US or other country’s politics to another better suited board. Remember this is yotatech!
(by the way Cory, i may not agree with your political viewpoints but you are definitely a VERY fair mod and i applaud your effort to keep the peace!!)
09-29-2007, 06:19 PM
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Judging by this.
well fine then, I still think you are a very fair ADMINISTRATOR
You might say you?re the fairest in the land
(by the way what's with the ?'s in place of 's ?
09-29-2007, 06:32 PM
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i like how people that have no comprehension of what war is like can talk and degrade those who have been there. all you do is talk about how things should be done, with no action on your part. except for marching around with a sign, and hiding behind crowds of others just like you, strength in numbers right, it's just cowardice. i've been to iraq and 4 of my friends have died there, i hate the war for very different reasons than most, but i do feel for people like corey and their families, the unknown is worse than anything. i don't feel that there should be forced extentions, but if there were more brave people out there who let their actions speak for them there wouldn't be a need to force people to stay.
i hope everything goes ok with your son corey
i hope everything goes ok with your son corey
09-29-2007, 06:45 PM
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I have seen that pop up in a lot of places.
I have not looked into it, but it could be updates, although I doubt it.
Can not recall at the moment where I have seen it here, but indeed I have.
Could even be in some of the tech articles.
I often see it to when I get an email from my partner, miss match of code or something, I really do not know.
jjrgr21, saw your thread coming in when I was composing this.
Thanks.
My son is part of a 4 man patrol with their Humvees.
He watched his Sargent in front of him last year die when his humvee blew up from a roadside bomb.
My son was also in theirs when one blew up below them.
It knocked them all unconscious, and his friend was up on top, and now has brain damage, and is out of the service.
One of the reasons I do not think we should be there is that country and surrounding countries have been at war since the beginning of time biblically speaking, and will continue to do so until the end of time, until the return of a certain individual which I am not going to go into detail, as I also do not like to discuss religion here.
I am firm in my beliefs when it comes to religion, and discussing them openly is only asking for huge disagreements or agreements.
Besides, I would much rather discuss religion at a bible study than on a forum any day.
I have not looked into it, but it could be updates, although I doubt it.
Can not recall at the moment where I have seen it here, but indeed I have.
Could even be in some of the tech articles.
I often see it to when I get an email from my partner, miss match of code or something, I really do not know.
jjrgr21, saw your thread coming in when I was composing this.
Thanks.
My son is part of a 4 man patrol with their Humvees.
He watched his Sargent in front of him last year die when his humvee blew up from a roadside bomb.
My son was also in theirs when one blew up below them.
It knocked them all unconscious, and his friend was up on top, and now has brain damage, and is out of the service.
One of the reasons I do not think we should be there is that country and surrounding countries have been at war since the beginning of time biblically speaking, and will continue to do so until the end of time, until the return of a certain individual which I am not going to go into detail, as I also do not like to discuss religion here.
I am firm in my beliefs when it comes to religion, and discussing them openly is only asking for huge disagreements or agreements.
Besides, I would much rather discuss religion at a bible study than on a forum any day.
10-01-2007, 10:38 PM
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Yikes. This thread was supposed to be about political threads, and yet some people still think that it's cool to push their demented agenda's upon the rest of us. Geez... As for your son, Corey, I fully admire his bravery in defending his country, reguardless of what anyone thinks about the war. He, and the rest of the US Armed Forces have my support, as they always will.
10-02-2007, 08:43 AM
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I thought this was a forum about Toyota's.......
Let's keep it that way, politics gets me pissed off and I didn't join Yotatech to get pissed off.....
Edit: Let me clarify my case here. I don't mind ppl talking about politics as long as it is in a specific forum based on politics. IMO, I just don't see the point in bringing it to a Toyota forum. I believe very adamantly that everyone has a right to free expression, but I also believe that there is a time and place for everything. In this particular context, I don't believe this is the place.
If we allow politics on Yotatech, then I move to start a forum on the injustices done to the Native Americans, The effects of racism on America's youth, The role of the Masons in the quest for a New World Order, and why it is that every religion other than Christianity is celebrated and supported by our government. oh, and I also move to remove the ban on pornography in this forum so I can get my fix without having to type in a different URL.
Sorry for the sarcasm.
Let's keep it that way, politics gets me pissed off and I didn't join Yotatech to get pissed off.....
Edit: Let me clarify my case here. I don't mind ppl talking about politics as long as it is in a specific forum based on politics. IMO, I just don't see the point in bringing it to a Toyota forum. I believe very adamantly that everyone has a right to free expression, but I also believe that there is a time and place for everything. In this particular context, I don't believe this is the place.
If we allow politics on Yotatech, then I move to start a forum on the injustices done to the Native Americans, The effects of racism on America's youth, The role of the Masons in the quest for a New World Order, and why it is that every religion other than Christianity is celebrated and supported by our government. oh, and I also move to remove the ban on pornography in this forum so I can get my fix without having to type in a different URL.
Sorry for the sarcasm.
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10-02-2007, 09:27 AM
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All forums have an Off Topic section and I look at if people don't like the title or subject of a thread they aren't forced to look at or reply on it but if they get heated they do need to be moderated but a little teasing back and forth on any thread should be tolerated and usually is.
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I like political discussion where principles are disseminated without the decay that slander and personal assaults impose. When one individual declines into such ignominy, especially here, I know that the thread is likely to get closed so I stop caring about the candor of it and reciprocate with enthusiastic callowness.
For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone thinks that shame and mockery will attract others to his point of view. When that happens, I just dish it back until the thread dies or it's past my bed time.
I don't mind bombastic assertions and ignorant claims. I can negotiate an elevated conversation with a member on that level. Some have accused me of being too aggressive at times. They were right. I did apologize unsolicited. Others cross the line of decent comportment and stain the board with rudeness, bellicosity and selfishness. I zealously go after them unapologetically and suffer the consequences with patience.
4JOGGER and I have traded barbs. He personally and exponentially increases the probabilities of Godwin's law. I trust he is a big boy and can take as much as he dishes out. If I have crossed the line and been unforgivably ungracious....then curse my quick temper in the defense of my country. I trust he is noble enough to defend his.
For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone thinks that shame and mockery will attract others to his point of view. When that happens, I just dish it back until the thread dies or it's past my bed time.
I don't mind bombastic assertions and ignorant claims. I can negotiate an elevated conversation with a member on that level. Some have accused me of being too aggressive at times. They were right. I did apologize unsolicited. Others cross the line of decent comportment and stain the board with rudeness, bellicosity and selfishness. I zealously go after them unapologetically and suffer the consequences with patience.
4JOGGER and I have traded barbs. He personally and exponentially increases the probabilities of Godwin's law. I trust he is a big boy and can take as much as he dishes out. If I have crossed the line and been unforgivably ungracious....then curse my quick temper in the defense of my country. I trust he is noble enough to defend his.
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