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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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No, it had a headgasket on it. All the compression is blowing past the rings. Its so bad that when turning the engine over by hand you can actually hear it hissing past the rings.

On the bright side, i sure have gotten fast at pulling 22r's appart. It only took me an hour an 20 min with nothing but hand tools to go from a full engine bay to just a block with the pistons in it and a starter.

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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 10:19 PM
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So you pullling the motor? What do you plan on doing to it besides re-ringing the pistons a full rebuild?

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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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Yup, pulling the motor and rebuilding it completely.

Im really, really kicking myself in the ass over this one. I assumed that a 22r with only 75K miles would be in good shape, as you can see i was wrong. Had i just done a compression test a month ago, i could already have had the entire motor rebuilt and back in the engine compartment. Ugh, ill never forgive myself for this one
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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That sucks. But I'm sure you'll get it back together in no time. It seems to be coming along rather quickly. Good job.

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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by joez
Yup, pulling the motor and rebuilding it completely.

Im really, really kicking myself in the ass over this one. I assumed that a 22r with only 75K miles would be in good shape, as you can see i was wrong. Had i just done a compression test a month ago, i could already have had the entire motor rebuilt and back in the engine compartment. Ugh, ill never forgive myself for this one
Exactly why I had mine completely rebuilt, you never can tell what the POSs did to it before you. Now I have a brand new engine that will run longer than I'll be around...

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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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Exactly why I had mine completely rebuilt, you never can tell what the POSs did to it before you. Now I have a brand new engine that will run longer than I'll be around...

Thats the way i look at this one, too. At least my trail rig will have a good motor. Today my k5 puked the rear main seal, lost a gallon of oil in less than an hour of driving



Got the Detroit and spool installed today with help from a friend. I dont know why people make this out to be such a big deal, i was suprised how easy it was. This was my first crack at it, i had done lockrights before, but never a full carrier replacement that required gear setup. The gears were in great shape, suprising considering the rest of the truck. Backlash is set at .005 with a perfect gear pattern on both diff's. Took a while on the first diff to get it right, but the second went pretty quick.

Tommarow ill start on the reasembly of the front and rear axles, and should be able to at least have the rear sitting on tires instead of jackstands like the front. I still havent been able to get the motor out, but need to badly early this week. As soon as i get the K5 back driving without puking oil all over the place, ill get the motor out of the toy and off to the machine shop.

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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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Getting those 30 splines in was a total PITA. Took about 2 hours and i destroyed one inner axle seal to get them in. Most of that time was spent on the long side, as was the axle seal. It just did not want to go in, and at one point i got the inner shaft stuck in the detroit, i had to find a steel rod that fit through the carrier and pound the axleshaft out of the housing. But when it did go together, it went in one fluid motion and took about 3 seconds. I didnt know whether to be happy, or be angry that it couldnt do that the first time.

I had gotten a couple requests for comparison pics of the 30 spline inners and birf's compared to stock 27 spline stuff, so here they are.




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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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Theres that finished. The only thing it needs are shock mounts, which will get done after i have the axle back in the truck and get the shock placement right.
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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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Looks great.

Dude, how did you learn all this?

I feel like I've been learning a while and I couldn't tackle a job like this.

I need to figure out how to rebuild the front axle on a FJ80. Is it the same concept as what you are doing or different?

You've got all my respect for being able to do something like this.

How old are you anyways? For some reason I think you are younger than me but I may be wrong.

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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AgRunner06
Looks great.

Dude, how did you learn all this?

I feel like I've been learning a while and I couldn't tackle a job like this.

I need to figure out how to rebuild the front axle on a FJ80. Is it the same concept as what you are doing or different?

You've got all my respect for being able to do something like this.

How old are you anyways? For some reason I think you are younger than me but I may be wrong.

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I just learn by doing it. Ive always been a tinkerrer(is that a word?), and it just comes to me. Once you realize that all it is is nuts and bolts, and as long as you arent afraid of screwing something up, theres not much that you cant do. The closest thing to an auto shop i ever took was a small engine repair class for one semester my first year of highschool, other than that i just learn by experience. Working on something thats not your daily driver helps, too. All the work i do on my K5 usually doesnt get done till friday, that way if i goof or find bigger problems i have a weekend to work on it. I have no air tools, no presses, no special tools. I do everything with basic hand tools for the most part. For the gear setup i had to borrow a few things, though.

The FJ-80 axle is pretty much exactly the same, just has some bigger parts in it and is wider. The axles are pretty simple. Honestly, setting the trunion bearing preloads was one of the most time consuming parts of the reasembly, and thats nothing difficult.

As for age, im only 19.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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Well, FINALLY the motor is out. We had to put the tranny back in to do it as i found out yesterday it wasnt going to happen without the tranny bolted to the motor. I tried to put the axle under the truck, but somehow managed to break a center pin, and at that point i called it a day.

Anyway, here is how you pull a motor with no loader tractor or engine hoist. It actually went very smoothly with 2 people, had it out in now time.





Keep the motor and tranny level and strait up and down, make sure they stay inline like they should, dont let the straps get away from you, and in a few minutes you end up here:

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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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Axle is under it, hopefully it will be sitting on 4 Q78's tommarow.

Use your imagination a bit, as the front end will come down about 3" with the drivetrain in it, and the tires will not stay on these rims, but at least you get an idea of where it is headed. I may need to push the axle further forward, will have to wait until i get it trimmed and can see what it does.

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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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Looks awsome man.
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Old Jul 13, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Been a while since i updated this, but there have been changes. I had some setbacks, including problems with the K5, a bathroom that needed remodelling which took away my garage, a club wheeling trip, and a few other things.

Axle is under and done, the trucks been sitting on 4 tires for a couple weeks now. Still only the 31's, because its been to hot to dissmount by hand without giving myself a heart attack. Im going to take them up and have them done soon, i'll just pay to have it done.

The big change, is that the block that was in the motor is no good, even for a rebuild. I got it torn down nearly 2 weeks ago, and discovered the true extent of the damage to the walls. It would need a .060 over to get it good again, and that puts me in the realm of expensive parts. So last friday i went and picked up a complete, running 22r, but since we were remodeing our bathroom i didnt get it out of the back of my K5 until today. I went out and bought myself some new toys over the past couple weeks to help move this project along, an engine hoist, stand, and some air tools. Home Depot had a composite Husky that will put out 600 ft/lbs of torque on sale for only $100, so i jumped on that.

The new motor was on the engine stand and had the head off within 45 min. Cylinder walls still have cross hatching on them, so far it looks to be in pretty decent shape. Tommarow it will finish getting torn down, and then i will reasemble it with some new parts, and put the new flywheel and clutch on. Then ill bolt up the rest of the drivetrain, and it will be ready to go back in the truck. Here are a few pics:


Finishing the axle install, the springs didnt want to cooperate as you can see


New motor, just out of the back of the K5


Looks good so far, at least a lot better than that other basketcase of a motor. Ill get pics of the rings and pistons and the block of that "other" motor later, its amazing how bad of shape it was in for how little miles were on it.


And this is the new family rig, and my tow rig. The K5 will just be my DD/school/winter beater and light wheeler, its in to sad of shape to sell anymore and i like it to much to want to get rid of it, i just love the truck.
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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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Nice tow rig. Sure will look good pulling the red truck. Nice progress on your rig. Hope you get it done soon so you can finally wheel it.
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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 09:47 PM
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The tundra's tow real nice, this is our second one. As soon as i get a good steady income going again, i think i may get rid of my K5 and go out and buy a regular cab, 2wd with a V8. Rubber floors, roll up windows, bench seat, my kind of truck, no frills. I figure i could walk out of the dealer with one for ~$16-17K the way i would like it.

Had very little time yesterday to work on the truck(got the motor torn the rest of the way down, but that was it), but did had some today today. Meet motor #2, complete and ready to drop in. This one has a problem, though, it has bad valve guide seals and i know it. I have new ones on order, but no time to do them right now. Ill just run it for a while, and probobally pull it and tear it down again this fall, or build the other motor with some custom stuff, im undecided.





It is dirty and unpainted, but at this point i dont care Everything checked out, except for the known bad valve guide seals. New gaskets and seals most other places, new tensioner and guides, and newer water pump. Sunday ill get the flywheel and clutch on, bolt up the tranny, and swing it back under the hood where it belongs.
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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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Sweet motor..
You might as well wire brush it and rattle it low gloss black while you are at it.

I just blasted the hell out of my block with carb cleaner and engine cleaner.
It actaully had been painted decent before and protected by the layers of crud on my motor.

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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hey i was wondering what you did with that ol rusty frunt bumper that came off it he you first got it??????????
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Old Jul 16, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by joez
Everything checked out, except for the known bad valve guide seals.

There is a way you can change your valve giuide seals without taking the head off. It's a little trick I used to do when I wrenched. I have a compresion tester with quick disconects... screw the one end into the spark plug hole and attach to a compressor. With the cam out of the head, I use a magnetic Overhead Valve Tool that all you do is smack it with a hammer and the keepers fly out. The air pressure holds the valves from falling out. You reverse the process to install the keepers, it works very fast and saves plenty of time.

Then you simply pull the springs and replace the seals.....

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Old Jul 16, 2005 | 08:48 AM
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Bruce, thanks for the tip, i had never heard that trick before. Should save a lot of time

Yelosub, i stuck it in my attic in case i needed something for the front end before i get the new front bumper built. I still need to run 220 to my garage, using the readywelder gets to be a pain after a while, i dont want to be fabbing any larger scale projects without 220 and a real welder.

I would have cleaned up the motor better, but i ran out of brake cleaner and time is dissapearing fast. There will be several late nights in the garage this week to get it done enough to wheel, i have a 3-day event at the badlands to go to that starts this upcoming friday. Hello crunch time.
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