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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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Would you install a "used" roll cage?

So i just purchased this roll cage for what i think was just 2 good 2 pass up the tubes are 1 1/2 this is one of those sleeve type cages. I want ppls feedback and personal opinions in regards 2 these types of cages. I want 2 know if you guys think if i should install this in my daily driven 88 4runner or just trade sell scrap or

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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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Doesn't seem like having a cage could ever be a bad thing. As long as it's structurally sound, I would install it.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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Is it HREW (look for a seam) or DOM?
Personally I would put in the truck and see how it fits.
Hard to tell but it kind of looks like an old all pro cage (Am on my phone so it only enlarges so much)
It it fits good and is good material tie it into the rear factory cage.
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 87 Deathtrap
Doesn't seem like having a cage could ever be a bad thing. As long as it's structurally sound, I would install it.
I looked over the cage and it seems structurally sound as far as the welds go. I asked the PO if he had put it 2 the test and he said he hadnt lol
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ocdropzone
Is it HREW (look for a seam) or DOM?
Personally I would put in the truck and see how it fits.
Hard to tell but it kind of looks like an old all pro cage (Am on my phone so it only enlarges so much)
It it fits good and is good material tie it into the rear factory cage.
The PO actually said it was an All Pro kit. I do plan on installing it 2 check fitment this weekend. What have you heard about those kits???
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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I've only heard good things about the All-pro kits, too bad they aren't selling them any more. Keep in mind though that they were "weld it yourself kits". If you are not a welder, I would have someone that is inspect those welds to make sure they are solid. Nice find man!
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 87 Deathtrap
I've only heard good things about the All-pro kits, too bad they aren't selling them any more. Keep in mind though that they were "weld it yourself kits". If you are not a welder, I would have someone that is inspect those welds to make sure they are solid. Nice find man!
Thanx Deathtrap im going 2 take your advice and consult a fabricator n have him install it. Ive been more giddy than a school girl all afternoon lol
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 05:02 AM
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Personally, I'm too big for a roll cage in a Toyota. 6'2" isn't that tall but with extra tubing in the cab it was too much for my noggin without a helmet. I took it out after one ride.

Biggest thing is getting it secured properly.

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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 05:10 AM
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Did Wabbit say his head was too big to use a roll cage?

Anyway, Personally I would use a used roll cage, seen it done many times not in trail trucks but with both SCCA cars and drag cars. Unless the P.O. abused the hell outta the truck and rolled it a few times, there shouldn't be any issues.

Not sure if I would trust an HREW cage though.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit
Personally, I'm too big for a roll cage in a Toyota. 6'2" isn't that tall but with extra tubing in the cab it was too much for my noggin without a helmet. I took it out after one ride.

Biggest thing is getting it secured properly.

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Should i have a fabricator beef up my cage more like this one? Or just install as is wabbit
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 07:30 AM
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I'd brace it like the picture you just posted. Otherwise it won't be much good.

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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 02:44 PM
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Test fit done today.... I took my seats out 2,make things easy
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 02:46 PM
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driver side
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 02:54 PM
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i had a real tuff time tryin 2 mock up the rear hoop. It didnt really wanna squeeze into place. By this time my arrogant bastard ale had already been consumed along with a monster so i stopped lol Ill let the real installer worry about the cage now
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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Yea, not nearly enough triangulation in there to be any good. It might prevent a little cab deformation in a light rollover, but it's still deformed enough that you're not ever getting a windshield in there again. and a sore spot on your head from bouncing it off that big ol' pipe next to your head. so what's the point?



IMO, In order to actually make the cab safer in a serious rollover than it already is, you need a complete, tied into the frame, roll cage. Complete with door bars, non-adjustable seats and 6-point harnesses. But at that point, you have completely lost all comfort and convenience.

something more like this (cage we're building for the new Ziptie Rally #171):






So no, I would not install that cage.....but I don't think that's quite what your were asking

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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit
Personally, I'm too big for a roll cage in a Toyota. 6'2" isn't that tall but with extra tubing in the cab it was too much for my noggin without a helmet. I took it out after one ride.

Biggest thing is getting it secured properly.

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Count me out then... sometimes being 6'7 has its drawbacks
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Numbchux
Yea, not nearly enough triangulation in there to be any good. It might prevent a little cab deformation in a light rollover, but it's still deformed enough that you're not ever getting a windshield in there again. and a sore spot on your head from bouncing it off that big ol' pipe next to your head. so what's the point?



IMO, In order to actually make the cab safer in a serious rollover than it already is, you need a complete, tied into the frame, roll cage. Complete with door bars, non-adjustable seats and 6-point harnesses. But at that point, you have completely lost all comfort and convenience.

something more like this (cage we're building for the new Ziptie Rally #171):






So no, I would not install that cage.....but I don't think that's quite what your were asking


Ooooooo thats a nice cage man
The point is 2 have something other than the window pillars protecting me in case of a roll over... As far as cab deformation goes well thats what junk yards are for Nothings better than finding a donor for my truck
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 09:55 PM
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I'm in the process of putting in pretty much the same cage. I would put in the gussets that you posted up before. Mine was in a 3rd gen previously and ended up being a total pia to put in. Looks like that shouldn't be too big of a problem for you though.

I don't know what kind of wheeling you do/ plan on doing, but imo that cage should be sufficient. As stated before triangulation is important, but it would be very inconvenient for your application.

Take a look at this link, very similar cage.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=935863
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Old Jul 18, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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Thanks Peterbuilt I really enjoyed the link you posted it was awesome.Im def having the extra gussets added.
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Old Jul 18, 2011 | 11:34 AM
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I would really enjoy one of those in my pickup, but it is already so small in there with my seats.
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