is there any place to buy a warn m8000 with synthetic line and a hawse fairlead pre-installed?

I noticed that the m8000 with the hawse fairlead at 4wheelparts is about $200 more than the one with the roller fairlead! Why would this be, to buy a fairlead is only about $40, so where does the difference in price come from, does it have other changes as well?

 

Synthetic line is typically very expensive compared to steel line.

 

thanks wabbit! I hear that good synth line is pricey for sure.
correct me if I'm wrong...the warn x8000 with the hawse fairlead comes with steel line I think...
just don't see where the $200+ difference comes from. Even tho I want a hawse fairlead it's prob. cheaper to buy the standard X8000 and the separate fairlead, and swap them meself.
Just wanted to check before I acted!

Part Number: PN 20910 CE (12V DC) 80' wire rope and hawse fairlead=$751.95
Part Number: PN 26502 CE (12V DC) 100' wire rope and roller fairlead=$549.95

 

I wasn't able to find a M8000 with synthetic on it when I was shopping a couple of months ago. I ended up buying them separate.

 

I was just wondering this myself. There is basically the same difference at winchdepot.com but they are a little cheaper there.

http://www.winchdepot.com/partlists....07&ptID=100702

Jason

 

Glen- did you buy the stock M8000 and then add the hawse aluminum fairlead? Did you go with the Warn Hawse or another aftermarket one?
also, just out of curiosity, which aftermarket line did you decide on for that winch in your ARB bumper?
(thanks again for the detailed pics when I was trying to find a fit for the budbuilt!)
finally, did you use 4wheelparts or another vendor? 4wheelparts has a $50 rebate plus free shipping which makes it a pretty good deal. I got a note from sonoran steve after I asked him if the m8000 would be enough for my 2nd gen...his answer satisfied me 100% !here it is...
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Iwould go with the Warn M8000 as it is more winch than you will ever need.
-Steve
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'nuff said!
that's the one for me.

 

I got the Warn M8000 for my 4Runner. Worked fine inside my TJM bumper.

For line, I got 100' of 5/16":
$202.45 with safety thimble
http://winchline.com/wl_wst.htm

For fairlead I got the one from Sky Manufacturing:
Sky-AHF-001 Price-$35ea
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/

I think I might have gotten the 3/8" line (80') if I did it again and while I think the safety thimble is a nice touch, it does stick out from the front of my bumper. I might get a standard hook instead.

 

very nice elvota!! thanks for the tip about the 3/8 line. I bet you sold the roller fairlead and metal line.
what would be a realistic price to ask for those (unused)

 

It's a hard call. I think I'd like the 3/8" line for additional pull strength, but then you have to reduce your length to 80' due too the increased diameter. Although 80' sounds like a lot, it's nice to have the extra 20'... especially if you need to use a snatch block.

I think I sold them both for $125.... but it took a while to get some offers.

 

Yep, I bought a stock M8000 and I'm adding an aluminum Hawse fairlead. I'm trying to find a thicker fairlead for a larger corner radius in case I'm winching from a hard angle. I still have the steel Warn Hawse (never used it) but didn't want to have to repaint the thing to prevent rust every time the synthetic line rubs off the paint.

As far as line goes there's a dizzying amount of info and choices. After reading a quite a bit I decided on the Tech 12 also known as Technora. Amsteel blue is widely used and I have not run into any verified cases where the heat from the drum on a planetary driven winch, the M8000 has a planetary drive, caused the line to fail but the Amsteel Blue which is an UHMWPE (Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene) has a critical temp of around 150°F. That means that you get a significant decrease in line strength when temps rise. It starts to melt at a fairly low temperature. Your drum and fairlead depending on how hard you are using it can easily go above 200°F. The solution for some line manufacturers is to wrap part of the line in a tube jacket for the first few wraps on the drum. This seems fine to me except that if you are pulling from a hard angle on a sunny day in say, Moab, the steel and aluminum may already be hot from the sun alone. When you get the friction of the synthetic line rubbing and heating the fairlead and then you stop winching for a moment, I wouldn't want the hot fairlead heating my line. So with that into consideration I spent the extra bucks to get the Tech 12 it has a critical temp of around 450°F. Worth every penny IMHO. Like I said I don't know of any verified cases, and a lot of guys are running the Amsteel Blue, so maybe it's just fine and it's a good way to save some bucks.

I bought 1/2" synthetic from an ebay seller. Here's the Link to the ebay seller Tech 12 on ebay The 1/2 in green is $1.50/ft and the 3/8" in black is $1.75/ft. I have not spooled it up yet but am guessing I can get about 80 feet on it. I have another 80 feet of line for an extension. Had I been able to afford it I would have bought 200 feet for the extension.

Oh and BTW the winch is for my 2001 4Runner. I'm having a custom bumper fabbed up as we speak.

I was going to use Winchdepot.com because I bought a M8000 for a guy that works for me as a bonus for $495 shipped but I found a brand new one in the box on Craigslist for $475 locally so I just bought from the dude. Winch depot was always the cheapest of all the online companies when I searched.

I got the Safety Thimble a while ago from Corey and am going to try it out but I have a feeling I'll be replacing it with a good hook in the not to distant future. I think a hook is more versatile.

I found some sweet heavy duty eye thimbles. Notice that they are continuous? This will help prevent the thimble from crushing. It's beefy for sure.


I think I got them for $10/each and might have an extra if you want to buy one.

 

hi glen! I contacted the ebay seller about technora tech12 and he's really cool. The prices are fantastic too, much cheaper than other places. He also told me that tech 12 is much stronger and has a much higher melting point than amsteel blue. My only concern is that he does not do splicing, so I will need to get the safety thimble and ends on there somehow. Did you splice the rope? I'd love to learn how you did this. in regards to your concern about the length of the line, I've been looking into warn winch models for a while now, the M8000 is a fantastic winch, and was my first choice, but now I am leaning towards the XD9000. It's a little more expensive (not too much tho), but it uses less current when winching and contains more rope. You can fit 100' of 3/8" on there apparently and I think it's the same form factor as the M8000. Thanks Glen looking forward to hearing from you

 

Yep, Amsteel Blue loses as much as half it's line strength around 160 F° Technora is good until about 400 degrees. Most winches are planetary drive so the drum gets hot. Even with no load on the winch the drum temp can reach greater than 160 F°.

Yeppers, I spliced it. Splicing contrary to common belief is not that complicated. It does require attention to detail but that's about it. If you got the same stuff I did you have a class II 12 braid. Samson has adequate splicing instructions here

Class II Twelve Strand Eye Splice


If you are really nervous about the splice you can ship it to me and I'll do the splice for you free. Probably not worth the cost of shipping the rope and thimbles but the offer stands if you want. I think you'll be able to do the spice just fine. It may take you a few times to get a clean well dressed splice but you can do the splice over and over until you are confident. It'll probably take you about 1hr the first time and 30 mins the second time. Oh and remember to get a couple of sections of sheathing for your rock guard before you splice. Good luck and feel free to contact me if you have questions about the splice.

 

That is really really nice of you to offer that but I would think that could be a serious liability issue for you if anything ever happened

 

You are no doubt right about the risk and I was thinking of that before I posted up the offer. A lot of people wouldn't agree with me but there are some days that I just get sick of not being able to offer help because of a few people that just can't seem to get a grasp on what self responsibility means. It is easier to just blame someone else for a misfortune or personal oversight but I don't know of a single Man that doesn't take responsibility for himself. I know of a lot of little spoiled boys that don't, more than I care to think about.

I prefer to encourage friendships based on words that are kept and handshakes that are solid. Sometimes that means sticking my neck out every now and then. As the law of averages go I will be sure to find some bad deals this way but at the same time, just like in the past, I'll also be gaining friendships that are truly worth while.

I appreciate the words of wisdom and caution and if someday you see taikowaza rolling up in a new tricked out 2001 silver 4Runner, you know what happened! lol

 

awww! Glen you spoiled my plan! Well, now that the cat's out of the bag, I had it all figured out, to send you the winchline Glen, and then make it break! Then. I was going to sue 'ya and get your awesome 2001 4runner for free! durn it!! grin
(by the way- I totally agree with your thoughts on our 'litigious society...' takes all the fun out of life!!
and, I really appreciate your offer- generous and cool of you my friend!
PPS. I may try to splice it myself...but those instructions looked pretty complicated. As far as you know, are there any Tech12 Technora 'ready-to-go' winchlines?
I may have a lead on a used xd9000...for $500

 

I agree the instructions look complicated but the splice is not.

Really all you need to do is taper the tail, bury it 32 inches, and cross stitch it so the tail doesn't work it's way out (these numbers are true for 1/2 inch rope)

Some helpful info:
A full fid for 1/2" rope is 10.5 inches long. You are using 1/2" diameter rope right?

For the cross stitching, it works well to cut off a 5 foot length of rope and pull one of the 12 strands for each of the cross stitch threads. A sharp knife will work a lot better to cut the rope than a pair of scissors.

Splicing could use a good write up. Next time I splice a class II I'll try and remember to do that.

Really isn't hard. The neatness of the splice is the only thing that takes a few tries. Don't let the instructions fool ya.