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Old Jan 24, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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What Year Model truck do you have?

If you got factory 4.88's the third members are totally different than the rest, if so you won't be able to use ARB lockers unless you completely change out your third members.
There is a sweet V6 third @ Just Truck & Van at 35th Ave and Lower Buckey in a 94 4Runner.

Picked up many pairs of 63" chebbys today.

As for the durability of the ARB, It all really comes down to the install. If yor ARB pukes oil out the engagement switch, bad install, if they don't bend the copper tube right, bad install.

To quote Mark Mason, "If it's insalled right, it will last forever."

Plan on at least $1500 for a good ARB install: parts, labor, bearings, gear oil, etc.

If you want to know who is smart enought to install ARB's in Phoenix e-mail me.

Randy Ellis runs ARB's on his Tacoma. Randy "Big Unit" Johnson's Jeep TJ was over there the other day with my 4Skinner.
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Old Jan 24, 2004 | 07:44 PM
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Cebby, it only matters in the rear.

To echo what name dropper said , install makes the difference in gear life and locker survival. Listen to Schaefer, he has 3 air lockers now!
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Old Jan 24, 2004 | 10:36 PM
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I have had my Detroit soft locker in for about a year now, by far the best mod I have done on my truck. It is just like an old school detroit, they just updated it so it is not so noisy.
I bought the detroit, master install kit and had it installed for about $600.
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by Flygtenstein
To echo what name dropper said , install makes the difference in gear life and locker survival. Listen to Schaefer, he has 3 air lockers now!
You had me going there for a minute until I realized you meant 2 for the 4Runner and 1 for the FJ.
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Bighead
You had me going there for a minute until I realized you meant 2 for the 4Runner and 1 for the FJ.
2 for the FJ and 1 for the 4Runner.
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by sschaefer3
2 for the FJ and 1 for the 4Runner.
Crap, I'm all screwed up. I forgot you had the factory e-locker.
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Flygtenstein
Cebby, it only matters in the rear.
OK, so I need a different 3rd for the rear.

What gear brand should I use?

I guess I will keep my 4.88's up front and match a new set in the back. ( unless there is a compelling reason to go 5.29's) This thing cruises on the highway at a decent RPM, so I think I could stay away from the 5.29's for now. If it iis not worse than stock (4.88's with 31's) I'd consider going to the 5.29's. Yotatech - help me decide!!!
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:40 AM
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To add my .02's, 5.29 sounds too high for just running 33's. Unless you planned on running a bigger tire at some point, I'd stick with 4.88's front and back.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Mad Chemist
To add my .02's, 5.29 sounds too high for just running 33's. Unless you planned on running a bigger tire at some point, I'd stick with 4.88's front and back.
Keep in mind he has the 3.Slow, not the 3.4 Powerhoue you do. My 2.7 has more power than his 3.0.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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I have 5.29's with 33's and a 3.0

I really think that this is the best way to run 33's on a 2nd Gen runner, almost exclusive of the tranny.

Mike, ask yourself a serious question. How long will you stay IFS? How much will you wheel with IFS before the swap?

My personal opinion is that if the answer is 2 years and not a lot, then living with highway performance as it is now and just waiting for a swap makes a lot of sense.

For me, it was time to run IFS for a while and I was not prepared to deal with the bad gearing, so I went 5.29's.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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Good point about the engine size, I didn't think about that...
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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The more I look into this add on feature, the more expansive it gets.

Thanks, SSCHAEFER, I'm going to go look to the place you mentioned tomorrow.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 03:45 PM
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The more I look into this add on feature, the more expansive it gets.

Thanks, SSCHAEFER, I'm going to go look to the place you mentioned tomorrow.
That's an open diff but you could have a locker set up in it and then swap the locker one into your truck.

I hav e no idea what gears it has, it was a top of the line 94 4Runner with the V6 and Auto I believe.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by sschaefer3
That's an open diff but you could have a locker set up in it and then swap the locker one into your truck.

I hav e no idea what gears it has, it was a top of the line 94 4Runner with the V6 and Auto I believe.
It most likely has the 4.88's.

So now I'm confusing myself.

MARLIN CRAWLER told me I need a new complete third because I can't use the one that's on now for the locker. I am taking a third, same as my third, to install the locker, yet I can't use my third I have on now??

Hmmm.. I don't get it
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Yeah, if it is the stock 4.88 third, then it's the same thing as what you have. How much were you looking at spending? Marlin has arb'd thirds for $1300 and you can add the compressor for $200. Install it all yourself and that's it. Or you can save about $100 if you go with a caddy compressor.

You can also do a e-locker third from inchworm for $1200, but you need to do a little drilling and welding on you axle housing.

Or lincoln lock it and be done with it.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by BruceTS
What Year Model truck do you have?

If you got factory 4.88's the third members are totally different than the rest, if so you won't be able to use ARB lockers unless you completely change out your third members.
KING - remember this?

You need to get another third that has anything BUT 4.88's.

Get one out of a V6 with 5 Speed if you plan to regear. Those will not be 4.88's

FWIW, I'm in the same boat as you.

EDIT: I'm too damn slow...

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Cebby
KING - remember this?

You need to get another third that has anything BUT 4.88's.

Get one out of a V6 with 5 Speed if you plan to regear. Those will not be 4.88's

FWIW, I'm in the same boat as you.

EDIT: I'm too damn slow...
So lockers cannot be installed in the 4.88's gears??

This is what I am understanding.

Why would I need to get a third with anything but 4.88's??

Honestly, I'm totally lost at the moment.

STEVE, MARLIN quoted me $1,400 for a complete third with gears and lockers installed.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:28 PM
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You can install a Detroit with stock 4.88's because there is a separate Detroit PN, or has been in the past.

The stock 4.88 gears are different than other gears and the carrier is different. IIRC, the gears are thicker.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Flygtenstein
You can install a Detroit with stock 4.88's because there is a separate Detroit PN, or has been in the past.

The stock 4.88 gears are different than other gears and the carrier is different. IIRC, the gears are thicker.
You are saying in order to run the ARB LOCKER with 4.88's, I need to get a different set/brand of 4.88 gears?

I suppose YUKON gears would be my next bet.

Exactly what is the carrier?
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:29 PM
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The carrier, as I was refering to it, is the guts of the housing that the ring gear bolts to.

Precision gears are in my truck.

Yukon's ride in any here who is "in the know."
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