EXACTLY.

 

Who is a mechanical (fabrication) engineer?

or maybe this will do...



Or better yet...read this thread below...

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/panhard-drop-bracket-broke-while-wheeling-17436/

an example of one that broke and it WAS welded...poorly, but welded nonetheless.

 

Brian, are you now suggesting he not weld it?

PO2SIMS, you're right though, the bolts do break, you probably won't crash. It'll just make a lot of noise and feel funny.

 

He can weld it now...or weld it later...but it'll need to be welded. Where I work if it can be welded, it gets welded...

 

The reason I'm being rude to you personally is right above- U DID IT AGAIN!!

First off, how did you run the same bracket?? I don't remember ever selling one to you!! Second, yes you are the only one telling me that my bracket will SHIFT. Everyone else is telling me that the 2 small bolts will most likely break, you have not ONCE mentioned the two small bolts. I know you are just trying to help (or trying to show people how smart you think u r), but you r not helping.

To all the others that have made good comments, I will probally weld a couple of beads on the bracket when I weld the upper a-arm limiting bumpstops for extra measure.

 

You aren't the only one who has designed a bracket like that. Steve Shaefer designed a nearly identical one and many copies of it have been made, so you aren't the only one selling them and you aren't the only way to get ahold of one. I don't care if people think I am smart or not, my entire point was to try to save you some heartache by pointing out that as from experience (not just my own - i was at one point part of a "company" that sold those things and had many complaints about shifting) so you wouldn't wonder why the rear end feels squirrely eventually.

How am I not helping? I'm trying to tell you to weld the thing on - just like everyone else is. You're right, I didn't mention the two bolts because I figured you understood from others that they are bound to break.

 

wiggle = shift
feel funny = because it will (if those upper bolts break) shift laterally and feel like the axle is going to slide out from beneath you.

so no, I was not the only one mentioning that. I'm still not sure what the rudeness was about except that you didn't seem to believe me when I told you flat out that, having run the same thing, firsthand experience tells me it will shift eventually if not welded. I thought it would save you trouble down the line. Sorry for upsetting you.

 

WOW, you're something else. All I see is a lot of babbling, which is not what I wanted when I posted my pics.

You did say you ran the exact same bracket, right. To me "exact" would mean every little detail. I know Steve sells a similar bracket. That does not give him a copyright. It's a simple design that all lifts for the 4runners should come w/, but don't. I give Steve a lot of props for designing and selling multiple products for the 3rd gen, but in no way is anyone stealing his idea when they make a simple drop down bracket. Any competent mechanic can look under there and see what needs to be made! So you know I don't sell these brackets nor plan to. I was just implying that since I never sold the exact same bracket to you, you never installed one.

And now your backstepping about the whole shifting thing. Of course it will shift if the bolts break, that's common kowledge, but you never said so until I called you on it. And saying you have first hand knowledge that it will shift, did the bracket you used have the same 2 stainless hex head bolts? I think not, so No, you have never had first hand experience w/ my bracket. Plus I ran the truck w/ no panhard bar after the lift for a week in different driving experiences and know exactly how it feels w/o the support of the panhard, and don't need you to tell me how it feels. One last point, no one has run my bracket and can not with 100% certainty tell me that it will fail, and that is a fact. I'm not saying it's bullet proof, but until others have tested the exact same setup using my blueprints and hardware, no one can say they know what will happen.

I was just trying to show off my hard work, not start a heated debate. So, rOcky stop explaining yourself and I will do the same.

 

Wow, nice.

 

By the way, I had also meant to say that it looks nice with the lift. I'll ˟˟˟˟ now.

 

someone needs to shed a little pride in making his own bracket and listen to others........

 

Who said I didn't listen, every comment is duely noted, even yours. If you refer to an earlier post of mine I said I will probally weld some beads when I do another welding project. I'm not going to run out the door to weld the bracket on because some people on the internet tell me to.

 

To change topics, here is a rough sketch of what I plan on doing for my downtravel bumpstop. I'm going this route because it is cheaper than a limiting strap setup and more widely used. I will be using the same Daystar poly bumpstops that come w/ the lift. Doing a quick search, Sonoran Steel is the only place I can find that sells them in pairs. And yes, I will be welding these on.

 

Keep us posted please regardless. Updates are good things, whether good or bad things happen. Share the wealth.

Good luck.

 

Are you talking about the rear or front? for the rear, bumpstop doesn't limit the down travel. On one side, the gastank with stop the upper control arm from going down, on the other side, you don't have anything. However, if you support your truck on the frame and remove the tires, the rear will only drop so much. on the other side, I think your shocks will be the limiting factor.

 

Oops, didn't see the sketch till now...LOL