Denk

Does this diagram look like it would work? Here is how it breaks down:
Switch position 'ON' : lights on manully
Switch position 'OFF" : lights on with stock reverse lamps.

Hopefully you can see the diagram.

98LimitedCustomized

That's a nice diagram you made there, but I keep looking at it and thinking it won't work. Let me first say my experience level with this is average or slightly better than average (I have 6 extra relays on my Runner)... But that 30 terminal is your constant FUSED power from the battery. 85 and 86 are reversible for for simplicity's sake let's say we've got 85 as the ground like you have. 86 is the "switch", the 12 volts that kick the relay into doing what it does. That leaves the 87 for the output to your device like you have. The way you have it, it will work when the switch is on, but I really don't like it/feel comfortable with it for 2 reasons. Your "juice", the 30, is coming through the reverse light, which is 22 guage wire, very light. Second is that there are no fused anywhere.
Now, when the switch is off, it won't work. There is nothing to "tell" the relay to start working. As a reference, check this sight out and look it all over... http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...h/foglites.htm

I have 2 lights myself which you may or may not have seen, they are on the current page right now. I have one on a switch and one coming on when I'm in reverse. I can show you how to wire it, but exactly how do you want to be able to use it?

98LimitedCustomized

It's been decided, I'm writing up some nice diagrams... I'm not for sure exactly what you're looking to do... Are you trying to say you want them to come on every time you put it in reverse AS WELL AS any time you flip a switch?

Denk

I forgot to add the inline fuses for the battery lead. As for what i want to do, I really don't want a 3 way switch (on, off, auto on with reverse). I wanted to use an OEM switch that has on and off (on, auto on with reverse). With the switch on power comes from the battery...with the switch off power comes from reverse lights. I too feel a little funky about the diagram. I also have aux lights in the front wired through a relay, so I understand the concept. Just not sure on this particular application. I have wiring diagrams from my hella fogs and from the ipf backup lights, studied them and tried to piece together what to do for this.

I know it can be done with a three way switch, that is how the ipf kit works. And I'm sure you can do it with a 2 position switch, just not exactly sure how.

84pickup

I am also considering additional back-ups. For simplicity right now, if I only wanted the aux lights to come on with the regular reverse lights, would I need to do anything other than just connect them to the reverse lights?

Ironmike4x4

If you just wire it up to the reverse wires then you risk burning up your wires. It's best to put in a relay so you have both insurance and enough amps to run the aux. lights.

Jake94

http://www.rallylights.com/useful_in...amp_wiring.htm

green91runner

true that would work, but it wouldn't quite complete the task.. a 2-way (toyota switch), to run backup/auxiliary lights that can be on when in reverse OR when you flip the switch.. that diagram only allows the lights on when the lights are on, or 'in reverse'.

Jake94

Did you read the text? it explains how to wire using a DPST switch.

green91runner

yes, but that's a 3-way... what denk was looking to do was use a stock toyota switch, with just the on/off function.

Jake94

Nope 3 position switch. It can be done w/ a Toyota 2 position(ON/ON) DPST switch. If you want to use an ON/OFF switch (SPST) you would need a different type of relay. You need 5pin DPST relay.

green91runner

how is a 3-way not a 3 position? (your splitting hairs here) and yea, i was thinking there was another relay that could be used for this, but i couldn't find it, so i made it work without. if you could get a link to the interruptor relay, more detailed information or put it into a diagram, that would be great. (i like simplified circuitry, lol)

Jake94

3 way = 1 light + 2 switches (like in a hallway in a house)

3 position = 1 light + 1 switch (the switch controls from which power source the light is energized by)

Apples and oranges really, not splitting hairs.

Try the link I posted above.

Don't make it to hard, it's nothing more than an 8th grade science project.

Try this http://www.rallylights.com/ click on useful information in the tool bar at the top.

green91runner

k, after searching that site.. im not seeing anything that would allow you to get away without using a 3 position switch... (just a matter of terminology, both knew what i was referring to, anyways). also, not seeing any mention of an 'interruptor relay'. so, im not quite sure what that link will bring to the predicament at hand.

Jake94

Can't give away ALL my secrets, that would make some of the jobs I do (like eLocker wiring) seem easy, than I'd be out some beer $$.


OK, here's a hint: A switch is a GATE. a gate is either open or closed. A gate is stupid and it dosen't know which way you walk through it. A switch is as stupid as a gate it's either opened or closed and it dosen't know which way energy passes through it.

A relay is nothing more than a remotly operated switch. Relays are stupid.

Not trying to make this a riddle, PM me if you need further help.
Got to go I have 2 eLockers to wire up in the AM. The dude is going to help me fab up some sliders in return. (like I said cant give away ALL my secrets )

*PS* in case you are intrested, I have 4 backup lights (well 2 for now I need to replace the ones on the roof rack) I can control them individually from 1, 3 position switch on the dash. I can have them on, or on w/ the back up lights, or just thr roof rack lights. I also have the roof rack lights wires to a switch in the back (like a 3 way switch) so I can turn them on to load and unload gear. 2 switches 1 relay

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

KC Reverse lights...with add a switch option, less than $100

Great light, complete wiring diagram, easy to do. I put a set on an 03 last year sometime.

Wiring them up to the reverse lights and then to a manual switch up front.

If memory serves me correct there is a thread on YT where some guy did a wiring diagram for everything like this...

This is the one that I keep on file...just for reference.

Here is one to look at:

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/show...5&postcount=10

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPIDS.

Jake94

Still overly complicated. Wiring on pin outs 1,2 &3 on the switch, look good as is the wiring for the relay for the lights. Whats with the 2nd relay, that's tripped buy the #4 pinout?

OH! now I see, wrong type of switch, they needed a switch with dependent pilot lights.

green91runner

yea, figured you were talking about logic gates.. guess its time for me to apply some of that theory learnt in school to an actual project, lol.

Jake94

What's a logic gate????????

green91runner

for digital circuitry... only gates i know of

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...lectronics.htm