4FonZ

Hey all,

I was looking to replace the factory suspension with:
FRONT: OME 881 coils, N91S shocks
REAR: N86 shocks and 890 OR 891 coils

Reasons:
To offset weight of TJM/ARB bumper (no winch), firmer ride, and slightly larger tires (not 285s).
I have a heavier roof rack on now and plan to add sliders..

Issues:
1) I occasionally do heavy towing of a trailer+boat...occasionally..
2) Don't want the "hot-rod" look with the rear being way higher than the front
3) Don't want SAWs

I've gotten conflicting reports as to the lift provided by the 890 vs. 891 coils -- some people say they provide equal lift, about 2.5"
I got an e-mail from ARB saying the 890's provide 3" lift and the 891's +1/2" more than that!

I was just going to get the heavier 891's to accommodate towing, but if they do provide more lift, that may be toooo much ( I know the rear will be a little higher in the rear no matter what I do).


Questions:
1) Anyone have experience with 890's vs. 891's ?
2) I thought the trim packers 95PF5 would increase the front lift a little (881's give 1.5" to 1.75" ARB says), but I was wrong -- they say they trim the vehicle left to right -- is that true?
3) For those running a similar set up, do you add spacers to the front or is the rear/front difference not too bad after all?

(I've done an extensive search on this, a lot of threads on suspension but no real answers...did a lot of PM'ing too, someone suggested starting a thread...)

All input appreciated!

Thanks,
Mike

sschaefer3

I'll throw another rat in your kitchen, my 891's give me a whoping 1.5" of lift. With the heavy duty rear bumper and that's it.

They are nice springs but they go down over time. I run them with a 1" Cornbred spacer. Why don't you get a set of Cornbred front spacers and keep your stock coils, just get the OME shocks. It will actually articulate...........................

sschaefer3

For what it's worth I'm dumping the 891's next month in favor of Chevrolet leaf springs, but I'm staying with OME shocks. N76 Racing Shocks for leaf springs.

MTL_4runner

So is it official...You selling your 891's?

sschaefer3

When the leaf spring thing is all done.

4FonZ

confuzzlin'....

for that matter -- anyone using 906 coils in the rear?

they say that provides 2" of lift...would be more level w/the front set up.... just wondering what the ride is like though..

if I go with the stock coils and use a cornbred spacer+OME shocks in the front -- then I won't need to add a diff. drop ? and the front won't sag or dip w/the weight of a TJM or ARB bumper..?

sschaefer3

Have no clue on the 906?

You'll need a diff drop with ANY lift, lift is lift and screwed up CV angles are screwed up CV angles.

My front does not sag with a TJM and a Winch and 2 really heavy skid plates. But keep in mind you HAVE to use 99 coils or ALL bets are off.

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

Here's the way I see it:

If you want the rig to be LEVEL, then I would suggest two possible combinations:;

1) SAWS as they are adjustable and get whatever you want OME in the rear

2) 881s up front with 890s in the back or 882s up front and get a winch and puts 891s in the rear

goldtaco9

I know we've pm'd a few times but here it is again.
881's and "C" shocks up front with TJM (no winch)
890's and "C" shocks in the rear with stock rear bumper and class III hitch.
I have 891's on deck if I need them after I swap the rear bumper & hitch out for my new Sonoran rear bumper which is, I think, about a 30 pound increase.
Currently my '00 is a little over and inch and a half up front and three in the back. I have not seen any significant settling, yet.
Mike

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

I would think that with the heavier rear bumper, the Sonoran one, which is quite beefy and will weigh a good bit more than the normal hitch and OEM bumper, I'd bet more than 30 pounds, I'd got with 891s as they will sag eventually and I would think the 891s would put you closer to level than the 890s with that added weight in the rear. IMO.

Sounds like you are set and have thought it out well. I think you'll be just fine after it's all said and done.

Good luck!

sschaefer3

You saw it on the scale? How could that be possible?

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

I'm not sure I'd take my weights based on a "household" scale like I think I remember seeing in your pics.

Given the options he's looking at...don't you think he'd be better off with the 891s to combat the extra weight, even if it is just 30 lbs, because both the 890s and 891s will eventually sag?

4FonZ

1999 ONLY or 1999 and above? I have an '01....

4FonZ

hey what are you using for your differential drops?

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

A diff drop is simply a 2" OD x 1" tall carbon steel or stainless spacer with a 9/16" bolt hole for a 8" 1/2" Grade 8 bolt and a nylock nut.

There was post a while back for somebody selling just the spacers for like $10. If you have access you can fab some cheap too out of 2" OD round bar, carbon or stainless. I'd painit the carbon though, as mine are stainless.

I have some pics of mine on my website under the write-ups.

Good luck!

Dr. Zhivago

Wheeler's Off-Road is selling the 906's. I think they might be a new spring since ARB was going to make a dedicated set of springs for the 3rd Gen 4Runners. I'm using a diff drop made from parts bought from a Tru-Value Hardware Store. Cost me about $18 or so. Do a search for Ace Diff Drop.

Peace.
G