Question for those with 7th Injectors ????
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Originally Posted by koda4
Thanks TRDOLMAN for your quick response.
I don't know for a fact that my open loop AFR changed over a period of time.
I just know that when I did a log yesterday I saw it go from 12.0 and made a bell shaped curve going to around 13.0 then back to around 12.5 while doing a test at WOT. I made an assumption that Brian made it pretty flat at around 12.0 at WOT in open loop but I do not know for sure
What about closed loop and the AIC. I personally have not experienced any performance problems except for lately the poor gas mileage in city driving. My last tank was averaging around 10 mpg with normal city driving.
I'm going to test disconnecting the AIC(so easy to do) and run just the 7th again for awhile and see if my mpg come up.
I found this info that states the Long FT affects open loop.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h44.pdf
This looks like a Toyota document. Look towards the end of this PDF file under Long FT.
BTW
I found a very easy way to hook up a fuel pressure sender if you have the older style 7th injector. The older style has an 1/8 npt plug on top of the injector block(newer ones don't have this plug). I put in a 45 degree 1/8 npt fitting connected to a fuel pressure sender.
KODA4
I don't know for a fact that my open loop AFR changed over a period of time.
I just know that when I did a log yesterday I saw it go from 12.0 and made a bell shaped curve going to around 13.0 then back to around 12.5 while doing a test at WOT. I made an assumption that Brian made it pretty flat at around 12.0 at WOT in open loop but I do not know for sure
What about closed loop and the AIC. I personally have not experienced any performance problems except for lately the poor gas mileage in city driving. My last tank was averaging around 10 mpg with normal city driving.
I'm going to test disconnecting the AIC(so easy to do) and run just the 7th again for awhile and see if my mpg come up.
I found this info that states the Long FT affects open loop.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h44.pdf
This looks like a Toyota document. Look towards the end of this PDF file under Long FT.
BTW
I found a very easy way to hook up a fuel pressure sender if you have the older style 7th injector. The older style has an 1/8 npt plug on top of the injector block(newer ones don't have this plug). I put in a 45 degree 1/8 npt fitting connected to a fuel pressure sender.
KODA4
Now if you are really worried about the fuel added by the AIC in the closed loop portion of boost eventually messing with your open loop AFRs you could do this: Install the URD AFR calibrator which will modify the A/F sensor readings to fool the ECM into thinking all is stoic. Zero out the fuel map on the AIC. Tune the calibrator starting in closed loop early boost to gradually richen toward 12.0 and open loop. Then go back and tune the open loop portion with the AIC. Make sense?
I personally don't think the AIC tuning is causing your gas mileage problems. You should be able to check by simply pulling the negative battery cable and resetting you ECM. See what your mileage is after that. You said city driving so you shouldn't be in boost very much. If your mileage doesn't change then you know you need to find another cause. Going back to the TRD control of the injector might not answer much for you. The 7th without AIC control runs normally very rich in open loop and you don't know whether it activates sooner or later than the AIC so comparing MPG between the two setups will be tough and might mask the real gas mileage villian.
If I'm talking out of my ass on this, someone please straighten me out because this is the way I understand it as of now.
And Mark, call it an ECU, ECM, or "computer thingy"---it's all good
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