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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Larger Oil Filter - 50% more media...

for my 5VZ-FE (3.4L), i use a filter for a 1995 3.0L Taurus. yes, for a FORD.

i personally like the NAPA GOLD filters. good stuff, easily found, and affordable.

3.4L Toyota Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)
Item#: FIL1348

Price: $5.79
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):3.404
Height (mm):86.46mm

O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16
3.0L Ford Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)
Item#: FIL1516

Price: $5.99
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):4.828
Height (mm):122.63mm

O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16
the ford filter is $0.20 more, but has ~50% more filter media...

another candidate is the filter for a 3.0L Mazda, but I don't know what year range.

Item #: FIL1512
Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):5.842
Height (mm):148.39mm

O.D. (Inches):2.95
O.D. (mm):74.93mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16
this one has ~70% more filter media than the standard OEM toyota filter!


now check this out! the Toyota 3.0L V6 takes the same filter as the 3.4L. that means that you can also use the ford filter - if it will fit in the location - i'm not sure about that one though.

3.0L Toyota Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)
Item#: FIL1348

Price: $5.79
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):3.404
Height (mm):86.46mm

O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16
however, you still need to check to see if it will physically fit into the spot for the filter.

another interesting fact is that the V8 engine in my UZJ-100 Land Cruiser (V8) takes the same filter as the 4Runner, which is a prime candidate for the larger Ford filter since it also takes quite a bit more oil. the more media, the better...

the idea is to look at your filter side-by-side with other filters of the same diameter. find on that has the same gasket diameter and same thread diameter/pitch, but with more filter media (overall longer).

also:

From what I understand it's (larger filter) not a good idea. Not good on cold start, oil doesn't get up into the valves and cylinders as fast as it would with the standard size filter.
not true with current quality filter designs. most - if not all - will have an anti-drainback feature. they hold oil in the filter when the engine is off. as soon as oil reaches the filter, then oil leaves the filter - by simple displacement - so there is no change in effective time for the oil to reach the most remote passages in the engine.

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:44 PM
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tremendous info, i'll try it
Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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So THIS is what you do all day at work.

Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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What about NAPA Gold # FIL1512
Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):5.842
Height (mm):148.39mm
O.D. (Inches):2.95
O.D. (mm):74.93mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16

I run the Wix equivalent of p/n 51512 (Napa Gold is made by Wix)
Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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The Purolator L30042 and PL30042 have the same dimensions. I believe they cross-reference to a 3.0L Mazda engine.

For those who insist, the Mobil1 M1-205 is also an oversized filter that will fit the 5VZ.
Old Dec 19, 2006 | 03:44 AM
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good info! i'll add it to the top! oh, and supposedly, the 3.0L mazda is the same block as the 3.0L ford.

actually, i found the filter by removing about 10 or so from their boxes at wal-mart one evening about a year or so ago. i took the equivalent filter for the 5VZ-FE, then started searching for one in a similar diameter, but longer. then i honed in on the ones that had a similar thread/gasket diameter, then matched pitch. it came down to the one that fit the Ford 3.0 V6.

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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 04:12 AM
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Wix oil filters

Very shortly after posting this thread, I switched to Wix 51516 oil filters for the very reasons mentioned above (although the numbers I provided then were purely estimates). Wix manufactures the Napa Golds...

EDIT: I'm running the Wix 51516 on my wife's 3.3L '06 Sienna too.

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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:44 AM
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Here are the listings for the two filters from the Baldwin Site... is the 20 PSID By-Pass Valve VS 8 PSID By-Pass Valve an issue?


PART NUMBER: B1405
Descriptions : Microlite Lube Spin-on
Contains : Anti-Drainback Valve
20 PSID By-Pass Valve
Fits : Toyota Automotive
Replaces : Toyota 90915-20002
Thread : 3/4-16
O.D. : 3 1/32 (77.0)
Length : 3 1/2 (88.9)
I.Gskt : G449-


PART NUMBER: B243
Descriptions : Microlite Full-Flow Lube Spin-on
Contains : Anti-Drainback Valve
8 PSID By-Pass Valve
Fits : Chrysler, Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Volkswagen Automotive, Light-Duty Trucks, Vans; Ford, Gehl, Kubota Equipment; Kohler, Onan Engines
Replaces : Ford E4FZ-6731-AB; Kohler 277233; Onan 122-0680
Thread : 3/4-16
O.D. : 3 (76.2)
Length : 4 27/32 (123.0)
I.Gskt : G449-B
Old Dec 19, 2006 | 08:20 AM
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Relief (By-Pass) Valve. In a full flow system, all of the oil passes through the filter to reach the engine. If the filter clogs, an alternative route to the engine must be provided for the oil, or the bearings and other internal parts may fail, due to oil starvation. A relief, or by-pass, valve is used to allow unfiltered oil to lubricate the engine. Unfiltered oil is far better than no oil at all. This relief (by-pass) valve is built into the engine block in some cars. Otherwise, the relief (by-pass) valve is a component of the oil filter itself. Under normal conditions, the valve remains closed. When there is sufficient contaminant in the oil filter to reach a preset level of pressure differential to oil flow (around 10-12 PSI in most passenger cars), pressure differential on the relief (by-pass) valve causes it to open. This condition can occur when the oil filter has become clogged or when the weather is cold and the oil is thick and flows slowly.
for a toyota filter, the by-pass pressure is higher. since there is less filter media, then it can more easily become clogged. however, at 20-psid, you're loosing quite a bit of flowrate once you trigger the bypass valve. w/ the other filter, the valve will open with less pressure differential, but the chances of that happening are diminished since you have more filter media that has to get clogged before it creates enough backpressure to trigger the by-pass valve. with 40% more media, then it would be the equivalent of having a ~11.2 psid by pass on a toyota filter.

to me, the slighty lower number is better - as stated above, unfiltered oil is better than no oil at all. considering how toyota engines will sludge with old oil, then the lower bypass trigger is better in my opinion.

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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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Thanks for the info! I only change my oil at 10k- 12k miles (running M1) and change the filter 4 times so that should keep a much better peace of mind. Good find Andy.
Old Dec 21, 2006 | 06:50 AM
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I think my 84 22R might use the same filters as my dad's 97 5VZ...
Old Dec 22, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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Good find. I've been meaning to find a cross reference for my 2.7L engine. The filter on this motor is really small. I usually go 4000 miles between changes and sometimes if I'm pressed for time I will change only the oil and not the filter. I drive 2000 miles a month. I've cut lots of filters open and never seen any visable junk in the filter. However, when I went 8000 miles on one filter the oil came out pretty dirty, so I won't do that again.

This is not uncommon to find filters from other cars that work on your car. I found out that for my 71 Riviera I can get a larger oil filter if I ask for a filter for a 1970 Jeep with the 225 Odd-fire V6. A completely different car, but it also has a Buick engine.

Never buy Fram filters, their drain back springs are really weak and the filter ends are cardboard.
Old Dec 25, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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Hmmm... I never knew that the oil filter threads where US threads. Someone else posted this in another thread. Also I would like to mention that Napa Gold and Wix filters are made here in the US, the Napa Select are made in Mexico.

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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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Never buy Fram filters, their drain back springs are really weak and the filter ends are cardboard.
i totally agree with you on that one.
Old Dec 27, 2006 | 03:01 AM
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I think my 84 22R might use the same filters as my dad's 97 5VZ...

My 84 22R always used the "Classic Ford" spin on..

The "Classic Ford" is the spin-on that started spin-ons (1957).. the PH-1, FL-1, PER-1.. many other filters use the "Classic Ford" mounting.. including Toyota.. I think they will interchange..

............................Classic.....Toyota
...............................Ford

Thread...................3/4-16........3/4-16

Gasket Inside Dia.....2 15/32........2 15/32
Gasket Outside Dia...2 51/64........2 52/64
Gasket thickness .......13/64........16/64

Sourse.. www.baldwinfilters.com

This is just my uneducated openion... be careful...

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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 03:37 AM
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I would use the one of these.... they are a 25K mile filter and this chart shows their efficancy vs other filters....



The only issue with going to differnt filters is the placment of the bypass valve... you could use an OEM EaO and have better filtration than an oversized Napa...
Old Dec 27, 2006 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AH64ID
I would use the one of these.... they are a 25K mile filter and this chart shows their efficancy vs other filters....

The only issue with going to differnt filters is the placment of the bypass valve... you could use an OEM EaO and have better filtration than an oversized Napa...
Yes.. bigger is not always better... but a better big one can be best...

Will the AeO26 fit? Space wise, it will screw on...

I have AeO26's for a by-pass set up... I'll try & snap a pic of a stock filter nect to it...
Old Dec 27, 2006 | 05:05 AM
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So you use a full-flow as a bypass?? You know they have bypass filters that filter down to 2 microns at 98.7%, where full flow is 15 microns at 98.7%....
Old Dec 27, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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No.. the By-pass mount takes a full flow & a by-pass... I have to re-install it..
Old Dec 27, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Okay that makes a ton more sence... you have the dual remote filtration kit...



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