Does anyone have a sure-fire cure for warped rotors?
#21
Technically no. When you have the rotors turned down you take away more meat from the rotor(depending on how warped). The rotor heats up faster and cools down faster which contributes to warpage and cracking. Rotor material is also important... if they have warped before there is a good chance that they will warp again because the metal is just not up to it(possibly due to performance pads which are a harsher compound in my case). I am not sure how much it will cost to turn down some rotors but for about 100 bucks for the front you should go with some brembo's. Breaks isn't something that should be compromised on.
Kevin
Kevin
#22
Originally Posted by AgRunner06
Could you guys also tell me how long you have been running your setup without warping?
Thanks
Thanks
My 97 BMW 328i is on it's 3rd set of rotors on the front and 2nd set on the back at 93,000 miles.
#23
There is one thing there that nobody is addressing and I would be willing to bet money is your problem:
Rear brakes out of adjustment/bad pads/other rear brake problem.
I have seen this a dozen times before...The most likely reason for recurring front rotor warping is that the rear brakes aren't doing their job. This causes the front brakes to have to dissipate more speed energy (which EQUALS HEAT) than they normally should. They heat up way too much and too often, and this warps them.
PLEASE, I'm not saying that all the suggestions about a different pad or torquing your lugs isn't good advice, it's just not even close to as likely as a rear brake problem. Check them out...pull the drums, etc.
NOTE: especially check the valve that attaches to your rear brake lines that is attached by a simple rod to the rear axle. It is a rear brake proportioning setup that adjusts the rear brake power according to how much weight you have in the rear of the vehicle (keeps the rear wheels from locking under heavy braking if the back end is light). Neat setup, actually. But if the mechanism is broken, or the rod is disconnected, it can cause the proportioning valve to drastically reduce rear brake function.
Trust me on this one, man. Pads aren't your problem.
Rear brakes out of adjustment/bad pads/other rear brake problem.
I have seen this a dozen times before...The most likely reason for recurring front rotor warping is that the rear brakes aren't doing their job. This causes the front brakes to have to dissipate more speed energy (which EQUALS HEAT) than they normally should. They heat up way too much and too often, and this warps them.
PLEASE, I'm not saying that all the suggestions about a different pad or torquing your lugs isn't good advice, it's just not even close to as likely as a rear brake problem. Check them out...pull the drums, etc.
NOTE: especially check the valve that attaches to your rear brake lines that is attached by a simple rod to the rear axle. It is a rear brake proportioning setup that adjusts the rear brake power according to how much weight you have in the rear of the vehicle (keeps the rear wheels from locking under heavy braking if the back end is light). Neat setup, actually. But if the mechanism is broken, or the rod is disconnected, it can cause the proportioning valve to drastically reduce rear brake function.
Trust me on this one, man. Pads aren't your problem.
#24
Whether you have judder from deposits or warpage, turning the rotors will correct the problem. I'd try changing the pads and going thru a bed-in procedure first (perhaps in combo with brake cleaner and a green pad). If that doesn't help, I'd turn the rotors then bed them in.
Note that I've never had a rotor crack on me (and one person is a small sample size). Shops due have minimum thicknesses for being able to turn a rotor. I'd like to believe that these depths include a good safety margin.
Note that I've never had a rotor crack on me (and one person is a small sample size). Shops due have minimum thicknesses for being able to turn a rotor. I'd like to believe that these depths include a good safety margin.
#25
AgRunner
Make sure to read my post above, AgRunner, before you worry about turning rotors, new pads, etc. Not trying to be arrogant, I've just had LOTS of experience with this problem.
PM me if you need any further help with it. It's a pretty easy thing to narrow down.
PM me if you need any further help with it. It's a pretty easy thing to narrow down.
#26
Originally Posted by CrazyDiamond
Make sure to read my post above, AgRunner, before you worry about turning rotors, new pads, etc. Not trying to be arrogant, I've just had LOTS of experience with this problem.
PM me if you need any further help with it. It's a pretty easy thing to narrow down.
PM me if you need any further help with it. It's a pretty easy thing to narrow down.
My front brakes need to be done because my pads are on the wear indicator. Since my rotors are already warped, I'm going to go ahead and have them turned so I have two new surfaces to break-in. The rotors were brand new ($75) when I did my brakes the last time so I'm going to try to get some more life out of them before I shell out $100 for a new set.
My LPSV is still mounted to the bracket that Downey gave me. Is there a way to test whether it is working correctly?
I will be following the break-in procedure the guy explains on his site and see if that helps me.
Oh yeah, is it absolutely necessary to replace the grease seal on the hub when you pull it off? If it's in good shape can I just reuse it? Those things were expensive.
Thanks for the help.
#27
Good call, man. To test the LPSV, you can disconnect it at the axle, get some bailing wire or the equivalent, and tie it up close to the bed, to simulate that the rear end is heavily loaded and the axle is sitting closer to the bed. Drive in your parking lot or somewhere else safe and hit the brakes fairly hard from about 30mph. If it is working correctly, your rear brakes should lock up too early and skid. It is supposed to just sed more line pressure to the rear brakes IF there is a load in the back...if NO load, it reduces pressure and keeps them from locking prematurely...kinda a poor-man's ABS.
Note that you might not be able to test that function if the rear brakes are already not working, however.
Sounds like you are doing the right things. Let me know how it goes and if I can help!
Take care!
Note that you might not be able to test that function if the rear brakes are already not working, however.
Sounds like you are doing the right things. Let me know how it goes and if I can help!
Take care!
#28
Oh, BTW, if the grease seal is iin good shape, with no leaks, and you grease the lips well when you slide the rotor/hub assembly back on and slide carefully onto the spindle, you can reuse it. I did about 20k ago and it's perfect still.
#29
Originally Posted by AgRunner06
Well I got the 4runner back from the shop today after the wreck...it's still not right but that's for another thread
. Anyways, now that I have new steering components, the warped rotors is much more noticeable. The rotors on there now are only like 10-15K miles old. When they were brand new, the warped within 10K miles. Is there a sure-fire way to prevent rotors from warping?
My pads are low now so I'm going to go ahead and do it all again
. Pads will be Performance Friction of course but I'm not sure which rotors I should go with. What do you guys suggest? Also, do I need to replace those grease seals? Those buggers were $30 at the stealer and mine now aren't that old.
I also think I'm having trouble with my rear brakes adjusting. I've done the braking in reverse without much success which leads me to believe that they aren't adjusting at all. Should I oil the adjuster and see if that makes a difference? Is there anything back there that I should clean?
Thanks for any help you guys offer.
Ag

. Anyways, now that I have new steering components, the warped rotors is much more noticeable. The rotors on there now are only like 10-15K miles old. When they were brand new, the warped within 10K miles. Is there a sure-fire way to prevent rotors from warping?My pads are low now so I'm going to go ahead and do it all again
. Pads will be Performance Friction of course but I'm not sure which rotors I should go with. What do you guys suggest? Also, do I need to replace those grease seals? Those buggers were $30 at the stealer and mine now aren't that old.I also think I'm having trouble with my rear brakes adjusting. I've done the braking in reverse without much success which leads me to believe that they aren't adjusting at all. Should I oil the adjuster and see if that makes a difference? Is there anything back there that I should clean?
Thanks for any help you guys offer.
Ag

The bad booster causes the brakes to not release all the way, thus over-heating the rotors (warping them) and wearing out the pads fast.
Last edited by mt_goat; Jan 7, 2005 at 06:43 AM.
#31
This thread is making me suspicious. I got my 01 with about 37K on it, and lo and behold, not only are the rotors warped, but they have already been turned at least once (shop guy said he wasn't sure they'd be up to thickness if he did it again.
#32
Originally Posted by Manioca35
This thread is making me suspicious. I got my 01 with about 37K on it, and lo and behold, not only are the rotors warped, but they have already been turned at least once (shop guy said he wasn't sure they'd be up to thickness if he did it again.
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