95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 4th gen pickups and 3rd gen 4Runners

The anatomy of a CV

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 07:36 AM
  #1  
Albuquerque Jim's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,549
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
The anatomy of a CV

I finally broke a CV.

I don't have any pics of the obstacle, but it was worthy. I was trying to climb a 4' ish ledge with a foot deep puddle at the bottom. I was turned hard driver to get the driver tire to climb bause my approach angle wasn't good enough. The passenger was fully drooped into the puddle with little to no traction, so I was biasing the brakes to get the TrueTrac to grab...all I heard was snap, snap, snap, BANG. I really expected more drama, a little disappointing. 35 mins later I had the CV replaced and was going again.



So, that's what they look like inside.

Last edited by Albuquerque Jim; Aug 23, 2006 at 07:38 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:05 AM
  #2  
SLC97SR5's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 391
Likes: 0
The brake biasing is the ticket to get those Tru-Trac's to hook up but as I found out our front ends don't like it too much. I grenaded my ring gear and carrier last year in the same situation.
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:16 AM
  #3  
Albuquerque Jim's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,549
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
I like the True Trac. In most situations it works great. However, on more extreme obstacles it lets me down where an ARB should let me walk right up. I wish there was an LSD/Locker like the Detroit Electrac for the Dana 44.

The biasing issue will be solved shortly...RD90
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:16 AM
  #4  
Gallep's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
From: Castle Rock, CO
No wonder it broke... It looks like you ran out of grease.
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:21 AM
  #5  
Albuquerque Jim's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,549
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
Originally Posted by Gallep
No wonder it broke... It looks like you ran out of grease.
LOL, believe me, when I tore it apart there was plenty of grease...

Last edited by Albuquerque Jim; Aug 23, 2006 at 08:48 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:31 AM
  #6  
Gallep's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
From: Castle Rock, CO
Originally Posted by Albuquerque Jim
LOL, believe me, when I tore it apart there was plenty of grease...

AHHHH, I was just commenting on your thorough cleaning job. Well done!
Reply
Old Aug 23, 2006 | 08:34 AM
  #7  
lee's Avatar
lee
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,729
Likes: 0
From: boston, ma
bah screw electronics! climb things the ol' fashioned way



i cut a cv boot at pap but luckily it was AFTER i was done wheelin'.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:14 PM
  #8  
SLC97SR5's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 391
Likes: 0
Abq Jim, what method do you use to swap CV's so quick (35min)? Do you remove the tire and unbolt the 4 bolts under the LCA and swing everything out of the way or do you have a better way? I've re-booted mine so the whole process took about 4hrs in the garage. I can't remember really how much was involved just in R&R.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:57 PM
  #9  
Albuquerque Jim's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,549
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
Yep, take off the wheel, remove the hub (manual Hubs takes longer), remove the 4 bottom bolts, take out the shaft, slide in a new one, reverse.

I had a guy helping me, handing me tools. It was pretty smooth. I bet I can get it down to under 30min...
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:49 PM
  #10  
914runner's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,097
Likes: 0
From: Tigard, Oregon
Do you plan on replacing the whole diff assembly when you go with the ARm or just the diff? Are you going to sell your truetrac?

Thanks
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 12:37 AM
  #11  
Tanto's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
From: Smoky San Diego
Is the 2000 4runners different than a 2002 4runner? I don't remember that much work to change a CV....
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 03:30 AM
  #12  
bamachem's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 0
Likes: 1
they're the exact same. it's not much work at all. you can actually do it w/o removing the tire if you want, but it's more cumbersome with all that weight on the knuckle as you swing it out of the way to swap the shaft.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 03:40 AM
  #13  
Tanto's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
From: Smoky San Diego
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's still easier to pop the dust cover off, remove the cotter pin and crown nut and work the CV out from there
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 05:49 AM
  #14  
Albuquerque Jim's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,549
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
Originally Posted by 914runner
Do you plan on replacing the whole diff assembly when you go with the ARB or just the diff? Are you going to sell your truetrac?

Thanks
I will be selling the TT, not the whole diff assembly. It would work in a 2nd gen as well. Interested?

Originally Posted by Tanto
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's still easier to pop the dust cover off, remove the cotter pin and crown nut and work the CV out from there
Tanto, I have none of those things...I have manual hubs. If I still had ADD it would be the same.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:06 AM
  #15  
sschaefer3's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 5,278
Likes: 0
From: Tempe, Arizona
So why don't you tell the people why it broke. Because you really didn't "Break" it like a Banjo Playing Pirate Board Guy would from major flogging. You ripped the cage out.

Tell the people why the cage ripped out.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:25 AM
  #16  
bamachem's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 0
Likes: 1
lemme guess.... OME N91s up front with a top out spacer or two, then you hit a ledge where the front tires went up and over and the backs were still below pushing... ??? at that point, the front went to full droop since the weight shifted to the rear and the belly was bottomed out. you gave it some gas to pull you up and over, but instead as you got traction, you shattered the cage - just like i did on slickrock back in May...



yeah, the OME's really are too long.

Last edited by bamachem; Aug 30, 2006 at 06:26 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:26 AM
  #17  
deathrunner's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,969
Likes: 1
From: San Diego CA
Yeah Jim! Why DID you rip the cage out? Now I feel offended like you lied to me about breaking your CV joint. hahahaha
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:35 AM
  #18  
sschaefer3's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 5,278
Likes: 0
From: Tempe, Arizona
Stock Tundra shocks with a 1" top out spacer. Yeah, N91S or longer. I don't have any numbers on the stock Tundra shocks. Front shock length is extremely critial with these front ends. With the correct length, you can really beat the snot out of it and it will not break/bind. Shocks that are too long and it's over quick.

Basically the joint bound up and the cage tore out.

Same thing if you cut the steering stops off of a 79-85 SA and just kept turning.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:50 AM
  #19  
Bighead's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
The binding was pretty noticeable when Steve and I were setting my limit straps. Without the limit straps and the front end at full droop, we were unable to twist the axles by hand. When we had the straps set to limit the droop to ~17 degrees (stock range), we were able to easily twist the axles with our hands.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 11:44 AM
  #20  
SLC97SR5's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 391
Likes: 0
One more reason for me to buck up and buy the dang limit straps. I'll be perusing your site Steve.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TMDedtruks
Misc Stuff (Vehicle Related)
1
Jun 14, 2014 10:29 AM
Yota2k55
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
7
May 30, 2011 06:13 PM
bigpest88
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
6
Nov 29, 2006 10:09 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:27 PM.