node

I have a couple of projects lying around here awaiting assembly and im wondering. Does anyone have a 2WD Manual Trans V6 in a 4runner? If so, how did you do it?

I know some of you will ask, why bother, but im working on a new project you will love it.

jimbo74

have you thought about putting a supra tranny in?

i know the 22r bellhousing will bolt to a supra tranny and it will owrk in a pickup

node

I guess I should have been a little more clear. I would like to put a spare 3S-GTE or even an extra 5VZ onto a 5speed/2WD tranny. I have both these engines sitting around and would like to put one into an old yota truck but I dont have a 5speed RWD transmission thats compatible.

So, will the 22r belhousing bolt to the same bolt pattern as the 3VZ and 5VZ engines?? If not, will the MT 3vz or 5vz 4WD bellhousing bolt to the supra tranny or any older 5spd truck transmissions that are 2WD?

Thanks
Jim

node

Ok, after some more research I have found that the r150F manual from the 3vz-e 1989ish has the correct bolt pattern I need.

Can someone confirm what trucks came with the R150 (the 2WD verson of this tranny)?

Also, does the w56 have the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the R150F? If not, is that the only difference between the R151 and the R150?

Thanks

DH6twinotter

Hey, sweet project! I've always wondered about swaping in a 3sgte.

Try this website--lots of tranny info down towards the bottom of the page. I'm sure you can call them up and ask them too. From what I hear, they are really helpful guys there.
http://www.marlincrawler.com/trans.html

But, if I understand you correctly, the bellhousing from a R150F will bolt to a 3sgte, but you just want a 2wd version, right? Have you looked at the R154 out of an older supra? I don't really know a whole lot on this stuff, but just an idea. I'm sure the guys at marlin crawler can point you in the right direction though.

Just my $.02.

node

Cool, thanks I will def give them a call. Im fairly certain that the supra engines are a different bolt pattern. We have a couple of 2JZ engines sitting at the shop so im 100% sure that the bolt pattern is different for those motors. I think the 7M is incompatible too. I have never heard of someone keeping the stock tranny when they swap in a 7M instead of the 3.slow. So, that is fairly good evidence that those bellhousings are incompatible.

Im still looking for what trucks came with the 2WD r150. What I would really like to know is if the 22r - 22re - 22ret all have the same bolt pattern and if so is it the same pattern as the 3vz-e v6? If they are then I can use one of the w56 trannies that are practically free in junk yards around here.

Since the r150 bolts to the 3S-GTE in theory, im supprised nobody has attempted or even asked about this swap. Its pretty strait forward from what I see. Asside from the wire harness most of the components are compatible and swap friendly. For example, the fuel rail fittings (feed and return) both fit right onto the 3s-GTE from the 3VZ. The downpipe on the turbo motor goes under the oil pan and coould be run down the passenger side of the truck so there would not be any clearence issues with the steering column. There are bolt holes in the block that could be used for motor mounts where the axel bearring usually goes. The other motor mount could be fabbed using the turbo support bracket with some quick welding. I know for a fact the motor is physically shorter than the 5VZ with the intake manifold on by at least 4" so hood clearence shouldent be a probem either. Same goes for the oil pan, its not nearly as low hanging as the V6 pan.

kyle_22r

i think a 3sgte would be a complete dog in a heavy rig like a 4runner. better off with a more displacement IMHO, like a 7MGTE. greater potential for power.

the R150F 2wd version came in 2wd v6 pickups, there's also a 2wd R151F but i think the gearing is the same as the R150F(unlike the 4wd version with the low 1st gear).

G and W series trannies have the same bellhousing, however the R series has its own bolt pattern. no way to put a G or W transmission behind a V6 at this time, unless you have an adapter made. however you can put a V6 tranny behind a 22R with a 22R-TE bellhousing.

node

WAY COOL! Thanks Kyle exactly the confirmation I was looking for.

Think about it for a second, the 3S weighs about 100 lbs less, at stock boost ~8-9 psi it makes 200hp and 200ft/lbs of toque nearly across the board. 240 hp can be had with a boost controller alone. Turbos are very good for constant load and you cant tell me the 3S-GTE wouldent be a hell of a lot better than the 3VZ-E. Regardless I have several of these engines sitting around, along with full harnesses ECU's etc.. So I may as well experiment right?

BTW: I dont know if I mentioned it but the 3S-GTE 5S-FE 3VZ-e 3VZ-FE and 5VZ-FE all share the exact same bellhousing bolt pattern See my siggy for details.

Look at this mostly stock 3s-GTE dyno plot. The torque curve is flatter than the 5VZ!!

irott

What generation of 3SGTE do you have (which year)?

node

In stock? Well, I have a Celica All-Trac Gen I engine, several MR2 Gen 2 motors and a Celica ST205 Gen III engine with ceramic turbo. I also have several 5sfe engines and 3s-gte cyl heads sitting around waiting to be assembled into hybrid 5s-GTE engines too.

Here is a couple of clips of a given day at our little shop http://www.mr2board.com/files/members/node/Day1.WMV

irott

Looks like you have plenty to work with.

Awsome movie.
Tree growing through the car.

I don't know if it helps any but I saw the guys over at supracharged.com are working on custom bellhousings that mate the M series engine bellhousing to the R transmission pattern.

node

wow, thats some old school fab work LOL I would use it though. Looks like I will just be using the tranny from the 2wd V6 truck. I found a few locally but they are expensive. I wonder why that is?

Are R150 transmissions known for having problems?

Flamedx4

No, the R150 is very stout. Not many available is why they command higher prices

kyle_22r

2wd V6 trucks aren't nearly as common as the 4wd V6 model, where they probably outnumber the 4 cylinder.

Silver_Truck

mines lasted over 400k mi with only increased sloppiness works just fine tho

irott

What about the R154?

Comes out of a Supra Mk 3, its RWD and for turbos.

kyle_22r

the input shaft on the R154 is a different length than the pickup trannies...

DH6twinotter

Would it be possible to swap out the input shaft from a R150 into the R154? Probably a lot of work, but curious if it is doable.

Flamedx4

Should be doable. You can also swap the bellhousing onto an AX15 (found in Cheroknees and Wrangblurs) since it's in the same trans family.

irott

AR-5 (MA-5) trannys from GM and Isuzu are the same as well.