Floation is good if you have the HP to push the tires over the mud.
Most of the time the suction and resistance stop the momentum.

The object in mud is to clean the tires and keep moving.
The best mud tire ever bogger.

Personal Experince,
My friend wins mud bogs at VA Motorsports Park with
38.5x11-15 Bogger but when he used to run 39.5x18-15
He couln't full pull!

You're stock 22RE motor has a better luck tractring you through the mud on skinnies than propelling you over the mud with floaters. However, I did have
real good luck with some wore out 33x14.50 mickey hps but they don't dig you
in you're grave like the same 33x14-15 bogger.

When you hit the mud with a wide tire the engine rpms will die so you will be
stuck with the low rpms and sitting on top the mud. With the skinnies you will go farther but when you are stuck you are buried.

 

Skinny for mud, fat for rocks.

 

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DEfinitely two trains of thought here, fat for mud, skinnies on rocks, and skinnies for mud, fat for rocks....Now IM so confused, I'll never know. I'm running 33" (X12.50) BFG MT's as an alla round off road tire.

 

Around here its fat... Muds to deep for a skinny tire to get to the bottom... Floating is the ONLY way to go througn the spots we are in... But if its only a foot or so deep a skinny tire will float better.

In all these the truck is sitting on the frame...

 

wow. now thats stuck!

 

I will post some pics today to illustrate what I mean. As far as rocks, (most) all the rockcrawlers are running skinny tires, there was an article or two on this recently ( Pirate4x4), the skinny tires when aired down give a wider bite without exposing the sidewall.

I admit to having an advantage to turning bigger tires. If running a stock Toyota engine with gears, I'd run a taller skinny tire like most.

 

In Spain we've very often this discussion. We say there're two ways:

English school: Tall and skinny tires
American school: Tall and wide tires

I think it's a bit depending on the terrain you drive, but I prefer american school hehe

Usually people with Land Rovers prefer tall and skinny tires.

David

 

hola Blizzard,
how many kilometers do you get per liter with your turbo diesel?
I sure wish we had the diesel's available here.

 

Mmmmm I make about 450km with 55 liters, this is 8.18km/l. I calculated one day an it's something like 24mpg.

David

 

that'd be nice. Most I can get out of my taco is about 19 mpg on a REALLY good day

 

I've been wheeling a fair bit with 36"x12.5" and traction was great but my 4banger had a hard time turning them and stopping them. A few weeks ago, I put on some 34"x10.5 LTB's and they are much easier for the truck to handle.

I do notice that I'm dropping into the big rut more than I used to, but I've also noticed I can climb slippery hills better than when I was floating. Of course, now I have to be more careful on the sandbars since it tends to dig.

The mud I wheel in typically has a firm bottom, so I haven't been stuck yet with the 34"s.

I agree that it really depends on the terrain.

 

In my experience if it's deep and soft mud wide tires do better. Toyota's don't need any tire speed to float. They're light. Because they're light they don't dig and get a great deal of traction though. On shallow or just slimy mud the wide tires seem to just slide around on top without giving much propulsion. If you're going up steep hills on slimy terrain you'd like skinny better. If you are trail running somewhere it's fairly flat with swampy mud like in the pics where the guy's stuck to the frame wider tires would do better because in that type of stuff and deep ruts digging down is not what you want. You won't find bottom before your frame or axles find the ground.

That's the simple breakdown. Picture what you wheel in and you should be able to make the best choice between the two.

 

does anyone have pictures of their 4runner with stock suspension and 33s??

 

gdog: do a quick search and you'll find out more than youd ever need to know.
Generally you cant run 33's on stock suspension.

 

Uh - not exactly.

Depends on what gen runner. First and second gens can run 33x10.50 with no lift or minor tbar crank.

 

oops, Yea i forgot about 33x10.5s, I was referring to 33x12.50. Bottom Line you must do some trimming and pounding to fit 33's(for 1st and 2nd gen).

 

I'm running 33x12.5 Herculse MT's (which call for a 10" rim and state they are 33.8" high) on stock rims/suspension and no rubbing.... If I still had the front valance I might...

 

Here's what I was referring to. The wider tire stays on top of the existing rut (in most cases) allowing the sidewall to bite into the drier stuff on the side of the rut for traction. My tires are 39.5x18x15 and are not aired down to wheeling pressure in these photos or the tire would be much wider. This is a tiny hole just used for this example & so I could let my nephew drive.