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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Angry Bfg all terrain problem????

I bought a set of 33x10.50's from sams club about four months ago had them mounted on my stock aluminum wheels 15 in and they just wont seem to balance. i had them balanced when they were installed, then after about three days of them rumbling whenever i was around 55mph i had them rebalance them. they seemed better but not perfect for a while. then i decided to rotate them when i was changing my oil about 2,000 miles later. as soon as i did this they rumbled worse than ever. so i went back to sams and had them rebalanced. this time they balanced the inside and outside of the wheels(said that would give me a truer balance). still diddnt help, so here i am a week later and they are driving me crazy rumbling at certain road speeds. what can i do need help or info
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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they might be out of round... take it to a 2nd local shop for a look seek
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Ask around for a tire shop that has a road-force balancer. This balancer applies a load to each tire, simulating the weight of the vehicle on the road, then directs the tire-technician where to install the tire on the rim for the optimal balance. Sometimes the seam on the tire needs to be relocated to sit on a different part of the wheel. I know, it sounds crazy.
You should also take the truck to a different tire shop. I learned as a tire tech that it's an artform balancing tires, and not everybody 'feels' it. Perhaps their equipment is out of calibration, or perhaps the tire tech was stoned.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 05:09 PM
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i guess i will have to go to another tire shop to get them checked. i just hate to pay for balancing $9 a tire or road force $23 a tire, on a very new set. i dont think they should be able to sell tires if they cant properly set them up when you pay for mounting and balancing
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by carose725
i guess i will have to go to another tire shop to get them checked. i just hate to pay for balancing $9 a tire or road force $23 a tire, on a very new set. i dont think they should be able to sell tires if they cant properly set them up when you pay for mounting and balancing
I agree. You should hold the original installer responsible. They should fix the issue free of charge, and if that means they get you a new set of tires, then that's what you should do. Just make sure you hold their feet to the fire. Talk to the manager if you have to, and cause a scene because it's fun. They'll eventually take care of you.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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thats why i like to get tires from tire stores, like discount tire, over 500 locations to serve you, haha, if i were you i would go to one of their stores to see if they can help you.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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you need to get them ballanced using a lug-centric adaptor. that is the only way to have a yota done
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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I've had the same setup for about 3000 miles and they run very smooth up to 85mph. Plus that is coming from Walmart!! U should go some where else for sure, and if that fixes the problem, than take the reciept to sam's and ask for them to cover it. If they refuse tell them u are a unsatisfied customer and that u will tell everyone not to buy tires there.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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you need to have them balanced on a hunter gsp9700.

http://www.gsp9700.com/
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 05:50 AM
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It's simple - BFG has serious problems w/ both the A/T and M/T's...I'll never own another set.

The manager of the local Discount Tire told me he won't recommend BFG's for Toy's from 1998 thru current production.

Since I'm a stubborn SOB, I decided on the M/T's anyway, and have had two of four replaced - one for being out of round, the other for balance problems. The RoadForce machine showed both tires over the acceptable limits, (one was so far off it wouldn't even register a value on the machine!) so they warrenteed them. Still have vibration problems from 65 to 75 MPH, but it's better than it was. On the RF balancer the tire/rim assemblys are "in tolerance" at 22 to 38 Ft/Lbs, so they won't replace the other tire that's visably out of round. The one tire wheel assembly is only 2 Ft/Lbs away from the maximum allowable...

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:00 AM
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I never could get my A/Ts to balance or run smooth. They simply aren't designed properly and have pretty high road force issues where the belts overlap. That vibration caused the weights to keep falling off, so things just got worse. I don't have such problems with Yokohama, Michelin, Toyo, Dunlop or Kumho.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:34 AM
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I had my AT's mounted and balanced and never had a problem other than a little shake above 90 mph...
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by crawler#976
It's simple - BFG has serious problems w/ both the A/T and M/T's...I'll never own another set.

The manager of the local Discount Tire told me he won't recommend BFG's for Toy's from 1998 thru current production.

Since I'm a stubborn SOB, I decided on the M/T's anyway, and have had two of four replaced - one for being out of round, the other for balance problems. The RoadForce machine showed both tires over the acceptable limits, (one was so far off it wouldn't even register a value on the machine!) so they warrenteed them. Still have vibration problems from 65 to 75 MPH, but it's better than it was. On the RF balancer the tire/rim assemblys are "in tolerance" at 22 to 38 Ft/Lbs, so they won't replace the other tire that's visably out of round. The one tire wheel assembly is only 2 Ft/Lbs away from the maximum allowable...
I had one of my BFG mud-t replaced under warranty too, same thing the Road Force balancer showed it was bad. Lucky I was standing there watching the tech and reading the screen when it showed up or they may never have told me. They usually just move a bad tire to the rear hoping you won't notice it until you rotate the tires months later. I only buy tires where there is a RF balancer, and I stand just close enough to the machine to read the screen. I also test drive a new set of tires and rotate front to back as soon as I get home and test drive the rear tires on the front.

I don't have the stock lug centric wheels anymore but if you do and they are not using an adapter to mount the wheel on the balancer then that may be your problem. I guess you can't machine a wheel to be centered on the lugs and expect it to also be centered on the hole in the middle too. Not many places have the adapter though, I'm glad I have American Racing wheels now.

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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i have had bfs a/ts on both of my 4runners and i have no complaints. i just got a new set of 265-75-16s load range d paired with my bilsteins and it rides great. i think that sams club sells crappy tires, seconds. my tires did take alot of wheel weights to balance them out but no vibration.

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 07:27 AM
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Likewise I have no complaints about my BFG's, but I think they're kind of the "whipping boy" of the tire industry; They outnumber other brands and models of tires on the road (especially in off-roading circles) by so much, that it would appear that they have more problems, when in fact, its just a proportion issue. The reality is probably that there are 20 sets of BFG A/T's out there for every set of Yoko Geolandars, so of course there will be more issues w/ BFG because there are more of them.
True, the quality of brands like Yokohama is superior to most others on the road, but for every problem we've had with BFG A/T's, there have been a thousand sets that worked perfectly.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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i totally agree with that, they are so popular, and my neighbors toyo at's won't balance, it just happens sometimes, they are also rated as a snow tire. i love mine.
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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ok so i went to tire discounters they have the hunter gsp9700 and a toyota adapter. got them to check out my tires. they said only one rear tire was slightly out of balance. my tires are feeling slightly better but still no where near perfect. i was thinking would my lift kit cause this at all i have 2.5'' daystar spacers in the front and i kept my stock struts. dont know if this could be causing this, or if it has to be tire related do to road speed problem
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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had my duler a/t's ballanced 4 times. still have a vibration. last time was done with the road force 9000. never had a vibe untill new tires. help me please.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by carose725
ok so i went to tire discounters they have the hunter gsp9700 and a toyota adapter. got them to check out my tires. they said only one rear tire was slightly out of balance. my tires are feeling slightly better but still no where near perfect. i was thinking would my lift kit cause this at all i have 2.5'' daystar spacers in the front and i kept my stock struts. dont know if this could be causing this, or if it has to be tire related do to road speed problem
Did they use the road force feature? Sometimes I've seen them just balance the tire without going through the whole road force testing program. The road force program takes longer and checks the runout of the rim and tire (to see if the tire or rim is out of round) and also tests how the tire flexes as it rolls. If they ran this program the should be able to give you a number or score of how good the tire performed during the test. Above a certain a score and the tire fails and the computer says to replace it.

It also helps to only have your tires balanced first thing in the morning. There are several reasons for this, the techs are not as tired and are more likely to at least have the energy to do the job right. They are not as busy and therefore not as rushed by the boss to get your truck out of there. The machines are often calibrated every morning and slowly get worse as the day goes long.

Also did they do a dynamic balance or a static balance? If you don't request it up front when they first write the ticket often the tech will just do a static balance (wheel weights just go on one side of the wheel) because it is easier and faster. But a dynamic balance (wheel weights on both sides or the inside and outside) will give a much smoother ride, especially with wide tires.

You have to supervise the whole time.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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I'm living with this problem...after about 8months discount tires replaced all for for like$60 under the warranty i bought with them but still did not completly fix the problem. I get some shakes not terrible after re-balance..i have 265-75-16s I'll prolly go with something else once mine wears out.
*I watched them use the lug-centric adapter and roadforce balance*

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