88 4Runner 1kd-ftv swap (NEW) w/pics
#201
Thanks, Aviator.
As with most every large project i do to my rig it has electricals to tend to, and this is no exception. So in preparation for the swap i am collecting and studying the wiring diagrams for the 1KD donor vehicle. To some folks this is probably like watching paint dry, but to me it is preparation for the installation, and troubleshooting later.
You may be asking yourself, how or why do you study a wire schematic without actually having the vehicle present.
Step 1; find the FSM and download it, usually a PDF.
Step 2; Print electrical section
step 3; Save all schematic pages to AutoCAD format (using Adobe Illustrator export as .dwg)
step 4; Open AutoCAD and stitch entire engine wire schematic together on one page.
step 5; open 88 4Runner schematic, and begin to create a hybrid wire schematic for notes and reference.
This is my process because it helps me understand how each component will work with the old and new systems. Hopefully this will also give me an idea of certain problems before i arrive at them. Plus it makes wiring easier(read: less frustrating) when some wire connections and troubleshooting can be done by memory. this in no way is full proof, but it has always helped me in the past.
As with most every large project i do to my rig it has electricals to tend to, and this is no exception. So in preparation for the swap i am collecting and studying the wiring diagrams for the 1KD donor vehicle. To some folks this is probably like watching paint dry, but to me it is preparation for the installation, and troubleshooting later.
You may be asking yourself, how or why do you study a wire schematic without actually having the vehicle present.
Step 1; find the FSM and download it, usually a PDF.
Step 2; Print electrical section
step 3; Save all schematic pages to AutoCAD format (using Adobe Illustrator export as .dwg)
step 4; Open AutoCAD and stitch entire engine wire schematic together on one page.
step 5; open 88 4Runner schematic, and begin to create a hybrid wire schematic for notes and reference.
This is my process because it helps me understand how each component will work with the old and new systems. Hopefully this will also give me an idea of certain problems before i arrive at them. Plus it makes wiring easier(read: less frustrating) when some wire connections and troubleshooting can be done by memory. this in no way is full proof, but it has always helped me in the past.
#202

Nothing encouraging here, just a guy in Argentina that put a 1kd into a 81 Ford Bronco!(that's sarcasm folks)
Read more:
http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/show...=106240&page=2
#203
Here, show car insurance means low annual miles limited to and from shows and parades.
#204
This conversation is being carried over from another thread.
Picked up from dieseltoyota responding to a thread.
I appreciate the info good or bad, thanks man.
I am well aware of the costs associated, it is a chunk. Fingers crossed, I have secured a broker that has quoted me a a respectable price less then a quote for a package deal from south side 4x4 down under(they were under $10k before shipping costs). And another quote I received was from a uk company for around $12k before shipping. Of course these have higher miles then a jdm.
Height issues. I am going to install the motor bone stock, no mods to the air, well that's the plan. I have a 2" body lift already and will need to fit a scoop, this scoop may need to be larger for clearance issues as you points out. I need to look closer at the engine, I have studied it quite a bit, but finding an overall height dimension has illuded me. Thanks for the info. If I'm not mistaken, the 2006+ engines run a watercooled EGR, which is part of euro 4 and 5 standards(this further complicates wiring from what I have read). I plan to get a 00-05 halfcut with the simpler EGR setup(I'll need to look at the height issue). These are going to have a bit more mileage on them, but less restrictive with respect to emmisions.
The electrics, USB is a good analogy, as I have seen the schematics for the tach connecting the speed sensor and speedo, and then you have the immobilizer...
I'm ordering a halfcut, I can't risk getting a package because of all the variables that will contribute to receiving a disconnected system. With that said, starting the halfcut before removal is essential to this project. If necessary all systems(speedo) will be transferred to the 88. A bit of work I agree. I have been studying the electrical diagrams for various years I be drawing a new full hybrid schematic of the old and new before I start wiring. This process has proved invaluable on past projects. If I have to graphed the speedo in a custom dash then that's what I'll do.
The import
This is an area I need to polish on. I have a broker that seems to not think the 1kd will be a problem to get, he's good friends with another friend of mine and he's been doing this thing for quite a few years with success. I will have to defer to his knowledge if the engine certificate thing is going to be a problem. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to get this addressed.
I know that you are trying to warn me of the pitfalls, and truly appreciate any and all info you give me good or bad.
Picked up from dieseltoyota responding to a thread.
Hey winch, you get that bad boy running yet?
Word to the wise, I purchased a couple engines from this "AM" guy after seeing Winch's recommendation. My thoughts on them are: they're salvage engines (aka. bought for scrap metal at auction). Cracked this, broken that, wrong transmissions, no ECU...basically a total loss. Guy wont answer emails or the response is in broken english so he cant really understand what the problem is. "You receive engine, I sell engine, what is problem" Buyer beware...
Word to the wise, I purchased a couple engines from this "AM" guy after seeing Winch's recommendation. My thoughts on them are: they're salvage engines (aka. bought for scrap metal at auction). Cracked this, broken that, wrong transmissions, no ECU...basically a total loss. Guy wont answer emails or the response is in broken english so he cant really understand what the problem is. "You receive engine, I sell engine, what is problem" Buyer beware...
RBX, cool thread! A sad fact of life is that to buy a complete 1KD-FTV with "almost" everything you'll need to convert it is going to set you back at least $10,000. Then you'll have $1200+ into shipping it here + customs duties + ISF filing fees + LTL to your location etc. Most JDM importers won't touch them because the 1KD doesnt have an emissions compliance certificate. If your engine gets flagged, their whole 40' container of engines are then scrutinized much closer. They're not going to risk all of that for the $150 they'll make off of one engine. The 1KD-FTV is also much too tall to fit into your truck without some crazy mods. I'm sure you're thinking that you can remove the intercooler and go front-mount. Take a look at the anti-shutter valve on the intake. It's actually approx 1.5" higher than the intercooler (with sensor). So you'd have to remove this as well as the EGR, and the intake manifold and go custom. Also, think of the link between the ECU and gauges more like a USB cable. There is not a dedicated wire for the tachometer, etc so you'd have no gauge functionality. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you there but I'd rather not see you waste a bunch of money.
Oh, anyone here is welcome to make an appointment to come by and drive my 2010 D-4D Access cab. It's my daily driver.
Oh, anyone here is welcome to make an appointment to come by and drive my 2010 D-4D Access cab. It's my daily driver.
I am well aware of the costs associated, it is a chunk. Fingers crossed, I have secured a broker that has quoted me a a respectable price less then a quote for a package deal from south side 4x4 down under(they were under $10k before shipping costs). And another quote I received was from a uk company for around $12k before shipping. Of course these have higher miles then a jdm.
Height issues. I am going to install the motor bone stock, no mods to the air, well that's the plan. I have a 2" body lift already and will need to fit a scoop, this scoop may need to be larger for clearance issues as you points out. I need to look closer at the engine, I have studied it quite a bit, but finding an overall height dimension has illuded me. Thanks for the info. If I'm not mistaken, the 2006+ engines run a watercooled EGR, which is part of euro 4 and 5 standards(this further complicates wiring from what I have read). I plan to get a 00-05 halfcut with the simpler EGR setup(I'll need to look at the height issue). These are going to have a bit more mileage on them, but less restrictive with respect to emmisions.
The electrics, USB is a good analogy, as I have seen the schematics for the tach connecting the speed sensor and speedo, and then you have the immobilizer...
I'm ordering a halfcut, I can't risk getting a package because of all the variables that will contribute to receiving a disconnected system. With that said, starting the halfcut before removal is essential to this project. If necessary all systems(speedo) will be transferred to the 88. A bit of work I agree. I have been studying the electrical diagrams for various years I be drawing a new full hybrid schematic of the old and new before I start wiring. This process has proved invaluable on past projects. If I have to graphed the speedo in a custom dash then that's what I'll do.
The import
This is an area I need to polish on. I have a broker that seems to not think the 1kd will be a problem to get, he's good friends with another friend of mine and he's been doing this thing for quite a few years with success. I will have to defer to his knowledge if the engine certificate thing is going to be a problem. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to get this addressed.
I know that you are trying to warn me of the pitfalls, and truly appreciate any and all info you give me good or bad.
Last edited by RBX; May 6, 2012 at 09:54 AM. Reason: Quote
#205
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No worries. You may have answered this already but why are you not using the 1KZ engine again? They're a super simple swap and have none of the issues you'll have mounting up that 1KD. I wont even get into programming out that immobilizer using a $2k dealer scan tool from Europe...
#206
Well the 1kz would certainly be an easier swap or so I've read. The 1kz lacks the efficiency the d4ds have and the power delivery/response is tremendous compared to the 1kd.
Any swap take effort, and I figure if I'm going to exert the effort for the swap it might as well be the engine I want. However, I am still researching the price difference on a 1kz as opposed to the 1kd. Heck, a guy from Argentina put one in his 81 bronco successfully.
Every post I've read that compare the 1kz to the 1kd explains an amazing difference and you already know the potential since you've driven both.
Besides the experience I'll gain from this swap, I really would like this mill under the hood(even if that hood has a bulge). Maybe I'm a fool for chasing this swap and not just putting in the 1kz, I haven't payed a dime yet. I look at the fuel saving( about $1200 a year) and like the idea of improved range and lower fuel use.
Again thanks your opinion and experience both are greatly appreciated
Any swap take effort, and I figure if I'm going to exert the effort for the swap it might as well be the engine I want. However, I am still researching the price difference on a 1kz as opposed to the 1kd. Heck, a guy from Argentina put one in his 81 bronco successfully.
Every post I've read that compare the 1kz to the 1kd explains an amazing difference and you already know the potential since you've driven both.
Besides the experience I'll gain from this swap, I really would like this mill under the hood(even if that hood has a bulge). Maybe I'm a fool for chasing this swap and not just putting in the 1kz, I haven't payed a dime yet. I look at the fuel saving( about $1200 a year) and like the idea of improved range and lower fuel use.
Again thanks your opinion and experience both are greatly appreciated
#208
Speed Sensor information
88' has mechanical speed sensor, and Mechanical cable runs to instrument cluster. Cluster outputs(pin 4 to CC & pin 7 ground) a speed signal to cruise-control and ECT
Marlins solution to mechanical to electrical speed sensor

This referense is in lieu of using the 1kd-ftv gauge cluster, i'd rather keep mine, but it may be easier to just shove the newer fancier cluster in my old 88 dash.
88' has mechanical speed sensor, and Mechanical cable runs to instrument cluster. Cluster outputs(pin 4 to CC & pin 7 ground) a speed signal to cruise-control and ECT
Marlins solution to mechanical to electrical speed sensor

This referense is in lieu of using the 1kd-ftv gauge cluster, i'd rather keep mine, but it may be easier to just shove the newer fancier cluster in my old 88 dash.
#209
1kd-FTV(1 KILLER Diesel For the VICTORY
) hahaha.... ahhhhhh, sorry, lol.
BRING IT, RB! I know this will take some time... but I check in so anxious to see a "OK, THINGS ARE HEATING UP" posting! lol. S'all good, if you can wait, I can wait, lol.
) hahaha.... ahhhhhh, sorry, lol. BRING IT, RB! I know this will take some time... but I check in so anxious to see a "OK, THINGS ARE HEATING UP" posting! lol. S'all good, if you can wait, I can wait, lol.
#210
Thanks chef.
My only reservation is the wiring. Not so much connections but the systems that work in concert with the ecu. Like the immobilizer. I need the keys to the halfcut or I am SOL because I haven't found a way to deactivate the immobilizer. When I run into problems like this I will call on a favor a friend(electrical guru) to sniff the signal and tell me what it needs to think it has the key. On the other hand, I'd like a key fob and security system from the factory.
Again, I'm researching as many possible issues as I can. There will be unforeseen issues that arise, I'm just trying to do me homework.
My only reservation is the wiring. Not so much connections but the systems that work in concert with the ecu. Like the immobilizer. I need the keys to the halfcut or I am SOL because I haven't found a way to deactivate the immobilizer. When I run into problems like this I will call on a favor a friend(electrical guru) to sniff the signal and tell me what it needs to think it has the key. On the other hand, I'd like a key fob and security system from the factory.
Again, I'm researching as many possible issues as I can. There will be unforeseen issues that arise, I'm just trying to do me homework.
#211
My new favorite search....
google: 1kd (insert vehicle name or manufacturer)
You may ask, what in the heck is this fool talking about...
see this:
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The black one HAD a 1kz-te in it for rally racing, he sold the vehicle to a friend that dropped in a 1kd-ftv. Evidently there are tons of Land Rovers running around with 1kz-te engines in them.
check this out:
http://translate.google.com/translat...landrover.html
And i may be doing two of these swaps as my Bro may drop one in his 98 Discovery.
Continuing my research on the 1kd-ftv....
google: 1kd (insert vehicle name or manufacturer)
You may ask, what in the heck is this fool talking about...
see this:
.jpg)
The black one HAD a 1kz-te in it for rally racing, he sold the vehicle to a friend that dropped in a 1kd-ftv. Evidently there are tons of Land Rovers running around with 1kz-te engines in them.
check this out:
http://translate.google.com/translat...landrover.html
And i may be doing two of these swaps as my Bro may drop one in his 98 Discovery.
Continuing my research on the 1kd-ftv....
#212
Great post^^^^^
Far as the 'electrical'... yeah, I bet! I would suggest Roger, being a master electrician... But he's a busy dude... And I'm guessing you mean "A hands on" guru, no doubt, right? Still, couldn't hurt to run schematics by someone like that, right?
Far as the 'electrical'... yeah, I bet! I would suggest Roger, being a master electrician... But he's a busy dude... And I'm guessing you mean "A hands on" guru, no doubt, right? Still, couldn't hurt to run schematics by someone like that, right?
#213
Schematics are a breeze, that is not the issue.
Example, I have 4(newer version is 5) wires from the immobiliser that senses the key RFID is present. How is that signal sent to the ECU? Is it a regular 12v 'on' signal, or an alternating signal at some other voltage? This is what i would need to sniff out if i run in to the problem of a system that i cannot bring over from the donor.
Example, I have 4(newer version is 5) wires from the immobiliser that senses the key RFID is present. How is that signal sent to the ECU? Is it a regular 12v 'on' signal, or an alternating signal at some other voltage? This is what i would need to sniff out if i run in to the problem of a system that i cannot bring over from the donor.
#215
Ok, nothing new. I did exchange some emails with the fellow from Argentina with the 81 bronco and he said he used all the Toyota systems attached to the ecu/engine to complete his swap. He started with a rolled hilux, and told me he heard of guys trying to do this swap without a halfcut and they were unsuccessful in the conversion.
So it looks like I will need to use the gauge cluster as of now, and definitely the transponder for the immobilizer.
Hopefully I'll get this thing on order soon.
Stay tuned.
So it looks like I will need to use the gauge cluster as of now, and definitely the transponder for the immobilizer.
Hopefully I'll get this thing on order soon.
Stay tuned.
#217
Not a 1kd but a cool video about diesel engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWv5g...e_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWv5g...e_gdata_player
#219
Still almost a million without power in MD/DC/VA. RT @nbcwashington: Latest power outage numbers as of 9:15PM Sunday: http://t.co/T0YlXJeg




hehehe.