3.4l auto swap guys
#1
3.4l auto swap guys
I'm going to be doing my first 3.4 to a340h swap. I'm curious about what transmission codes you had after completion. I was origionally thinking that I was missing a speed sensor but after looking the 340f and the 340h have the speed sensor in the same location.
I'm just trying to get an idea of what need to be changed before I mount up the engine to the tranny.
thanks
I'm just trying to get an idea of what need to be changed before I mount up the engine to the tranny.
thanks
#2
Brian aka "thefallman" and the "teamshiftpoint" guys are the only ones that I know that have put an A340H behind the 3.4 (but there may be others), and Brian is the only one talking about how to do it. "teamshiftpoint" considers it confidental info since they are in the business of making money off the swap.
I just recently asked Brian how he did it and this was his response:
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
I just recently asked Brian how he did it and this was his response:
mostly just used the selonoid wiring harness inside the transmission off of a A340F. also switched the neutral position switch out. and made a conversion harness for the 4wd sensors. i have yet to wire up the 4wd Lo selonoid to switch so it will work but 4 low seemed to work with out it it may be just a safety type wire that was wired into the ecu to prevent shifts at more then 35mph
Last edited by mt_goat; May 9, 2007 at 05:01 AM.
#3
Brian aka "thefallman" and the "teamshiftpoint" guys are the only ones that I know (but there may be others) that have put an A340H behind the 3.4, and Brian is the only one talking about how to do it. "teamshiftpoint" considers it confidental info since they are in the business of making money off the swap.
I just recently ask Brian how he did it and this was his response:
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
I just recently ask Brian how he did it and this was his response:
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
I have not seen "thefallman" on recently. He lives close to me now that he moved from Washington.
I know I can make the soleniods work, I though I read that there was also a code while running the 340h?
I was also going to swap the T.V. cable, for heat sheilding. This looks to be not needed though.
Manual swaps sure are easy, sheesh.
I'm having a little trouble finding an engine this time though. I might have to get it from a junk yard
Thanks Dale
Edit: now that I know his name search might turn up somthing now
#4
You can reach Brian by PM, that's what I did. I'm interested in the subject because I still have a good A340H from my 3.0 and I hear the newer A340F OD has some weaknesses (especially behind supercharged engines).
#5
Im going to be attempting the 3.4 and 340h swap at the end of the month. Im am doing this just to get it running. Eventually I think I would convert over to the 340f swap just because it would be a stronger drivetrain like a grear driven instead of the chain.
#6
Well after looking in the FSM I found that both trannys use an outputshaft speed sensor. I was worried that the 340f also used a direct clutch speed sensor(like in the tundras 340f) but it does not. Also there are 4 soleniods with the 4th solenoid being for low range. A simple wire/relay setup sould allow the low range solenoid to function. I will have to "pinout" the park/neutral switch and use the one that suits my needs the best, I"ll have to update later on this.
Now I'm curious what Teamshiftpoint sells. Is it just a valve body modification for higher pressures?
I'll have an update in a couple of weeks after buildin my harness and exhaust.
Now I'm curious what Teamshiftpoint sells. Is it just a valve body modification for higher pressures?
I'll have an update in a couple of weeks after buildin my harness and exhaust.
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#8
im here guys just ask me any questions
Ive done everything that Muds doing. and i can steer you clear on a few things.
There are 3 speed "sensors" on the 340F and 1+1+1 on the 340H
the 340F has a speed sensor in the same place as the 340H in between the transfer case and the transmission
it has 2 more on the tail output shaft housing one of these is the electornic speedo sensor
The 340H as noted above has its only real electronic speed sensor inbetween the tranfercase and the transmission.
It has another the cable driven speedo sensor on the tailshaft housing
and the third isnt actually on the transmission its on the back of the speedometer in the dash.
Mud Email me and ill send you my phone number im more then willing to help you out. i love working on toyota's. HEEPS I HATE ill trade a 93 Heep Grand Cherokee to anyone for a second gen 4runner. preferably 91 or 92. just use the email link on my profile. i dont want to put my email in here cause of spammers.
Oh btw i can give you the link so you can get all your wiring diagrams online to mud.
Ive done everything that Muds doing. and i can steer you clear on a few things.
There are 3 speed "sensors" on the 340F and 1+1+1 on the 340H
the 340F has a speed sensor in the same place as the 340H in between the transfer case and the transmission
it has 2 more on the tail output shaft housing one of these is the electornic speedo sensor
The 340H as noted above has its only real electronic speed sensor inbetween the tranfercase and the transmission.
It has another the cable driven speedo sensor on the tailshaft housing
and the third isnt actually on the transmission its on the back of the speedometer in the dash.
Mud Email me and ill send you my phone number im more then willing to help you out. i love working on toyota's. HEEPS I HATE ill trade a 93 Heep Grand Cherokee to anyone for a second gen 4runner. preferably 91 or 92. just use the email link on my profile. i dont want to put my email in here cause of spammers.
Oh btw i can give you the link so you can get all your wiring diagrams online to mud.
Last edited by thefallman; May 8, 2007 at 08:03 PM.
#9
#10
no actually its a sensor that sends a signal to the 3.0 ecu on the 3.4 this sensor was moved to the tailhousing on the 340f. there are actually 2 sensors on the tail housing usually from what i could tell. this shows up in the wiring as well. this sensor on the back of the speedometer gauge is a backup VSS to the one that is located directly above and to the right of the solenoid wiring harness on the a340's
#11
I will shortly be making another conversion harness for BAMF_2004 and when i do this i will post the wiring diagrams that show these sensors
Here is a pick of the Primary Vehicle Speed Sensor as far as i was able to determine primary and secondary.
Red Arrow points to VSS
Here is a pick of the Primary Vehicle Speed Sensor as far as i was able to determine primary and secondary.
Red Arrow points to VSS
Last edited by thefallman; May 9, 2007 at 04:44 PM.
#12
here is a very informative article that BAMF_2004 brought to my attention and confirms my theorys about the VSS's and also about the T/Case No 4 Solenoid being used by the engine to control the shift point into and out of 4 low at speeds below 18mph according to the article but according to the FSM its 35mph.
Although the VSS on the back of the Guage Cluster is Labeled No. 1 it is in reality the Secondary VSS. and the Primary VSS is the one on the transmission inbetween the T/Case and the Tranny and is Labeled No. 2.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/AT10.pdf
Although the VSS on the back of the Guage Cluster is Labeled No. 1 it is in reality the Secondary VSS. and the Primary VSS is the one on the transmission inbetween the T/Case and the Tranny and is Labeled No. 2.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/AT10.pdf
Last edited by thefallman; May 10, 2007 at 08:19 PM.
#13
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...fer+case+mount
Here's a little history on the A340:
http://rigs.corequipment.com/Cebby/9...20Transtec.pdf
#14
Has anyone or does anyone know someone beside inchworm who had installed the gear driven tcase behind the 340h on there own? Is it as easy as it sounds? Thank you mt_goat for the link
Last edited by Dan.3; May 11, 2007 at 07:30 AM.
#19
I would think that it would be a good idea to have a dedicated topic for the 3.4 conversion, based on how many of us have done them, and how often the subject comes up from new people interested in it.



