i have the bfg mud terrain kms and i think they kick ass. they grip like hell in mud and havent let me down yet. they are much quieter than my friends mud terrains (procomp and dunlop). i only considered the mtrs and the bfgs. they are the best mud terrains you can buy. swampers are terrible on road and all terrains gum up in the mud so i think they are great. but ya from what ive gathered, the mtrs are better on rock, bfgs better in mud. they clean better. also the mtrs are better on road, thats because of their softer compound, which also makes them wear faster. for around washington id say we encounter alot more mud than rock. but hey i dont know what your doing specifically. either way, theyre both great tires, good luck with your decision.

btw WATRD what did the siping do for you and how did you do it?


and oh ya if your not planning on lifting your 4runner and want mtrs, consider getting some from the rubi owners. jeep wrangler rubicons come with 245/75/16 tires stock and many owner have lifted theirs and ditched the stockers. i see em for sale all the time. assuming yours is a 265/70/16 you have a 30.6x10.4 . and a 245/75/16 is a 30.5x9.6. this might be an option if you want some cheap good tires until you lift.

Sounds like tons of fun. We will need a hill climb with some sticky clay mud to really make a show of it.

Hmmmm, we have a section of the mud pit in our obstacle course that is clay. The first section is more the deep black peat style mud and then the section 2 sections are clay. I've never really looked at how well they clean out, but I will out of curiosity.

Now if I only had the horsepower to clean them out when I'm in the mud!.

When we used to have the course at our chuch, my tires were packed with the clay, but then again, I can't even make the suckers spin with a 150hp motor and 37" tires :o(

Take a look at this link for some siping basics. http://www.can4x4.com/articles/siping.html

It's not really something you can easily do yourself and for the time spent doing it, it's more cost effective to have it done at a tire shop.

In my case, the only big drawback I saw to the BFG's was the poor rating for wet pavement traction. Since my truck is also my daily driver as well as my weekend warrior, it was important to me to have decent traction both on and off road. The anwer was the BFG reputation for off road traction, but siped to make them stick to the road when it's wet.

I can see where that is going to give you a distinct disadvantage. I am at something like 275+ HP and just some little 35's, so getting them to spin and fling mud like crazy is not too difficult.

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Remember... "Newbie" is spelled "m-p-u-l-v-e-r".

The 3 years on these tires is all pavement. The only dirt they had seen before Tinkham was from an occasional gravel driveway!


Gibby;

"used". got it. Good point!


Okay... done with the sub thread. Thanks for the time guys!

horsepower is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to wheeling, what we want is torque, and then some more torque. unfortunately the 3.0 doesnt like to give me it in large quantities

i would just like to announce, i positively cant wait to go 4x4in again, its been exactly 2 months now that i havent been offroad, on a 4 wheeler or in my truck, oh well the engine will be ready by thursday at the latest, then the solid axle swap starts the 16th of july!!!

anyways, just had to say i need to go 4x4in,

laterz

wade

HP is by no means irrelevant but the lack of HP can be overcome (says the may with a wimpy 3.0L V6). The only place I'll have trouble is the mud - Rob's Tacoma will make mine look like crap in the mud, but rock crawling - hmmmmm. I think I'll stand more than a chance there!

I'm looking forward to seeing how some of the big trucks do on our course. While they may throw the mud 60' in the air, they'll be taking the rocks way too fast. If I can get though the mud I'll be estactic!

I may have to take on the small mud pit instead - nahh, that'll never happen LOL

how much horsepower do you think it would take to throw mud with my truck? im just running 32's with stock gearing. probably will regear to 4:88 or something. just curiouse on if my engine is gonna have enough to clean the tread!! i dunno, if it dosent ill make it have more somehow (have a turbo off of an old 4 cyl deisel, i say make it fit!)

laterz

wade

Okay, two questions...first of all, do you need to be 18 to register? second, what does it cost! I am a fellow 4runner owner, and would love to come! THANKS!

No, you do not have to be 18 to participate but you will have to have a waiver (which will be made available soon) signed by a parent or guardian and brought along with you. Cost?

It's FREE!!!

But ya' know... If you really wanted to pay, then I'd bet that Chris or Corey would be happy to accept a donation!

I'm sure they would
Thanks guys, I'll sign up ASAP!

Somebody say dontation?
Heck yes

Daddy needs new shocks.

Corey come on out on July 4th. We have a $500 Skyjacker gift certificate to auction off in a silent auction. They've got some really nice stuff! I use their shocks and stabilizers and love em!

There's a couple set of shocks on the prize table as well...

can someone give me specfic directions coming from
portland,
i'll try & make it up there

thanks Eric

I-5 north to 512 east to 410 east, we'll have directions to the campsite(s) once we finalize it's location.

I have a simalar request how far is it from portland. i really want to go but not if its over 200 miles

For all who are seeking a more concrete location, we will be within 15 minutes of the red star on this map http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...submit=Get+Map
Notice that there is a "Get Directions to this Location" link. Click that link, then enter your starting location. For example, when I enter Portland OR, I get directions and the following:

Total Distance: 183.08 miles
Total Estimated Time:
3 hours, 51 minutes