Truckhaven info thread
Jul 4, 2006 | 03:23 AM
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Truckhaven info thread
I wanted to start a thread for the Socal folks who use the Truckaven area (north of Ocotillo Wells SVRA). I'm still trying to figure out all the details but what it boils down to is this:
1) State Parks is most likely buying a large parcel (4,000 acres) with OHV and Federal monies but not necessarily for OHV use? The fate of said land is uncertain/undecided.
2) A "green" group is trying to raise large sums of money so they can be "trust" holders/managers for the land, before turning it over to Anza Borrego State Park (instead of for OHV mixed use).
If you have any information related to this issue, please share it in this post.
I will post any updated information as I find it regarding meetings, etc. if I find out. If there are any meetings, etc. then I think we could get at least a few Yotatech members to attend.
Additional information can be found here (click on Truckhaven link):
http://www.muirnet.net/
1) State Parks is most likely buying a large parcel (4,000 acres) with OHV and Federal monies but not necessarily for OHV use? The fate of said land is uncertain/undecided.
2) A "green" group is trying to raise large sums of money so they can be "trust" holders/managers for the land, before turning it over to Anza Borrego State Park (instead of for OHV mixed use).
If you have any information related to this issue, please share it in this post.
I will post any updated information as I find it regarding meetings, etc. if I find out. If there are any meetings, etc. then I think we could get at least a few Yotatech members to attend.
Additional information can be found here (click on Truckhaven link):
http://www.muirnet.net/
Jul 4, 2006 | 03:44 AM
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Found this also which updates the status some...
"For clarification:
There are about 15,000 acres in the "Truckhaven" area.
4,067 acres is held by on group, Freeman families. That is the land Trust for Public Lands holds the purchase option.
Another 4,000 acres (approximate) is held by a variety of private interests. The bulk of that private land is where the current housing is being built. (That project is being done by a partnership that has spent the past 20 plus years acquiring land under delinquent tax status.)
BLM hold title to about 400 acres in two different parcels.
ABF hold title to one section (360 acres).
The remaining land (approximately 6,000 acres) is held by the California State Lands Trust. That entitiy manages state property as investments for the State Teachers Retirement System and a few other state needs.
There are some important dates coming with respect to the pending acquisition.
(Note: NO LAND ACQUISITION IS COMPLETED BY THE STATE WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BOARD.)
On July 14, the PWB meets. Truckhaven and a few other projects will be added to the calendar for discussion at a future meeting.
August 11 is the projected meeting where the final approval of Truckhaven is expected to be discussed.
The TPL purchase option expires Sept 17, 2006. TPL (and State Parks) want to complete the purchase before the purchase option expires.
The $300,000 figure is an effort to replace direct OHMVR funds with another source. Of interest, the Desert Protection Council (a preservation oriented organization) was committed to provide $300,000 for the acquisition. That was to be matched by State Parks. The remainder was to be provided by "earmark funds" from the Federal Highway Trust Fund.
Interestingly, State Parks did not have the matching funds. However, OHMVR Division did have "opportunity purchase" funding available.
As negotiations proceeded, DPC objected to OHV recreation continuing. The continuance of OHV recreation was necessary as OHV funds were being used. Ultimately, DPC pulled their $300,000 committment and additional OHV funds were committed to match the federal funding.
The "urgancy" of the July 8 date is to make the funds available prior to the Public Works Board meeting on July 14.
I am posting information about Truckhaven as it becomes available at: http://www.muirnet.net"
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"For clarification:
There are about 15,000 acres in the "Truckhaven" area.
4,067 acres is held by on group, Freeman families. That is the land Trust for Public Lands holds the purchase option.
Another 4,000 acres (approximate) is held by a variety of private interests. The bulk of that private land is where the current housing is being built. (That project is being done by a partnership that has spent the past 20 plus years acquiring land under delinquent tax status.)
BLM hold title to about 400 acres in two different parcels.
ABF hold title to one section (360 acres).
The remaining land (approximately 6,000 acres) is held by the California State Lands Trust. That entitiy manages state property as investments for the State Teachers Retirement System and a few other state needs.
There are some important dates coming with respect to the pending acquisition.
(Note: NO LAND ACQUISITION IS COMPLETED BY THE STATE WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BOARD.)
On July 14, the PWB meets. Truckhaven and a few other projects will be added to the calendar for discussion at a future meeting.
August 11 is the projected meeting where the final approval of Truckhaven is expected to be discussed.
The TPL purchase option expires Sept 17, 2006. TPL (and State Parks) want to complete the purchase before the purchase option expires.
The $300,000 figure is an effort to replace direct OHMVR funds with another source. Of interest, the Desert Protection Council (a preservation oriented organization) was committed to provide $300,000 for the acquisition. That was to be matched by State Parks. The remainder was to be provided by "earmark funds" from the Federal Highway Trust Fund.
Interestingly, State Parks did not have the matching funds. However, OHMVR Division did have "opportunity purchase" funding available.
As negotiations proceeded, DPC objected to OHV recreation continuing. The continuance of OHV recreation was necessary as OHV funds were being used. Ultimately, DPC pulled their $300,000 committment and additional OHV funds were committed to match the federal funding.
The "urgancy" of the July 8 date is to make the funds available prior to the Public Works Board meeting on July 14.
I am posting information about Truckhaven as it becomes available at: http://www.muirnet.net"
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Jul 4, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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THat is very interesting. I have wheeled there a couple times with TTORA and YT. Great wheeling and what seemed like a totally open area. It seemed like if there was no sign or gate/fence people could wheel wherever they wanted.
THe Tierra del Sol event was outstanding and that desert was rocking all weekend!
THe Tierra del Sol event was outstanding and that desert was rocking all weekend!
Jul 5, 2006 | 01:13 AM
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Eric,
One of the "green" arguements is that the OHV people have been using most of the area illegally, however, most of the private property is not posted so there is no offense according to the law.
One of the "green" arguements is that the OHV people have been using most of the area illegally, however, most of the private property is not posted so there is no offense according to the law.
Jul 5, 2006 | 01:25 AM
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I posted a message to Mr. Stewart regarding the status and this was his response. If anyone is an attorney in CA and knows "real property" type law, maybe you can help out.
"We are in a "holding pattern".
There are a two dates to watch:
July 14 - CA Public Works Board
Aug 11 - CA Public Works Board
The August meeting is slated to have a discussion on Truckhaven acquisition.
In the mean time, there are behind the scenes continuing efforts where expertise in CA real estate law and finances are needed.
If anyone is willing to devote some time, I would like to talk to you.
Drop me an email: john@muirnet.net to set up a discussion time.
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CA4WDC, http://www.ca4wdc.com
Moderator, MUIRNet - Multiple Use Information Resource Network"
"We are in a "holding pattern".
There are a two dates to watch:
July 14 - CA Public Works Board
Aug 11 - CA Public Works Board
The August meeting is slated to have a discussion on Truckhaven acquisition.
In the mean time, there are behind the scenes continuing efforts where expertise in CA real estate law and finances are needed.
If anyone is willing to devote some time, I would like to talk to you.
Drop me an email: john@muirnet.net to set up a discussion time.
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UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
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CA4WDC, http://www.ca4wdc.com
Moderator, MUIRNet - Multiple Use Information Resource Network"
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Jul 8, 2006 | 09:52 PM
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Here is an article which leads me to believe the area is up for grabs as the "greens" didn't raise the money:
"A battle looms on off-road land use
4,000 acres to be sold to state, trust says
By Michael Gardner
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
July 8, 2006
SACRAMENTO – Conflicting interests are preparing to duel over whether off-road riding should be allowed on 4,000 acres of wide-open terrain neighboring Anza-Borrego Desert State Park, now that the property seems assured of being transferred to state ownership.
The Trust for Public Land announced yesterday that it would hand the checkerboard parcels over to the state for more than $1.3 million, clearing the way for an environmental assessment of the properties rich in rare wildlife, unusual palm oases and American Indian artifacts.
“The challenge will be coming up with a management plan that fully protects the important cultural and biological resources while allowing the appropriate amount of recreation,” said Alex Tynberg, who oversaw the sale for the trust, a nonprofit national organization dedicated to land conservation.
The deal, pulled together over more than two years, must still be sealed this summer by an obscure state agency called the Public Works Board, but its approval is considered likely.
The environmental review will guide policy-makers as they determine whether off-road vehicle use should be allowed to continue as it has for the past 50 years. Riders say they have done little harm in the barren backcountry.
“We are hoping we can show that environmental resources can be protected,” said Roy Denner, president of the Off-Road Business Association. “It's a relatively small area that has artifacts we need to think about.”
As today's closing date for the purchase drew near, supporters of the Anza-Borrego Foundation and Institute “put their hearts and souls” into a last-ditch campaign to raise the money itself but fell short, said foundation President Diana Lindsay.
“To say they are disappointed is an understatement,” Lindsay said.
The Anza-Borrego Foundation and Institute is expected to call on the Public Works Board to close the property to riders until the environmental analysis is completed as a condition of approving the sale.
It's doubtful that state parks Director Ruth Coleman would agree to close off the property immediately, said Roy Stearns, her spokesman. “We feel we can allow some continued use and put up protections for important archaeological sites, like fencing,” he said.
Under pressure as housing developments inch closer, some environmentalists and off-roaders had struck an uneasy truce in May to tap a $1 million account raised by taxes on riders to help buy the land. Federal money also will be used. The parties were worried that a developer would snap up the land, leaving it unprotected and closed to riders.
The parcels, owned by the Freeman family, are in a region near Anza-Borrego and the Ocotillo Wells off-road area. The parcels are scattered throughout a 14,700-acre area known as Truckhaven/Desert Cahuilla that offers riders 250 miles of roads and trails in pristine backcountry.
In addition to the diverse wildlife, more than 75 sites of archaeological or historic significance have been identified, including at least 10 that are eligible for the National Register of Historic Places, according to the state."
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"A battle looms on off-road land use
4,000 acres to be sold to state, trust says
By Michael Gardner
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
July 8, 2006
SACRAMENTO – Conflicting interests are preparing to duel over whether off-road riding should be allowed on 4,000 acres of wide-open terrain neighboring Anza-Borrego Desert State Park, now that the property seems assured of being transferred to state ownership.
The Trust for Public Land announced yesterday that it would hand the checkerboard parcels over to the state for more than $1.3 million, clearing the way for an environmental assessment of the properties rich in rare wildlife, unusual palm oases and American Indian artifacts.
“The challenge will be coming up with a management plan that fully protects the important cultural and biological resources while allowing the appropriate amount of recreation,” said Alex Tynberg, who oversaw the sale for the trust, a nonprofit national organization dedicated to land conservation.
The deal, pulled together over more than two years, must still be sealed this summer by an obscure state agency called the Public Works Board, but its approval is considered likely.
The environmental review will guide policy-makers as they determine whether off-road vehicle use should be allowed to continue as it has for the past 50 years. Riders say they have done little harm in the barren backcountry.
“We are hoping we can show that environmental resources can be protected,” said Roy Denner, president of the Off-Road Business Association. “It's a relatively small area that has artifacts we need to think about.”
As today's closing date for the purchase drew near, supporters of the Anza-Borrego Foundation and Institute “put their hearts and souls” into a last-ditch campaign to raise the money itself but fell short, said foundation President Diana Lindsay.
“To say they are disappointed is an understatement,” Lindsay said.
The Anza-Borrego Foundation and Institute is expected to call on the Public Works Board to close the property to riders until the environmental analysis is completed as a condition of approving the sale.
It's doubtful that state parks Director Ruth Coleman would agree to close off the property immediately, said Roy Stearns, her spokesman. “We feel we can allow some continued use and put up protections for important archaeological sites, like fencing,” he said.
Under pressure as housing developments inch closer, some environmentalists and off-roaders had struck an uneasy truce in May to tap a $1 million account raised by taxes on riders to help buy the land. Federal money also will be used. The parties were worried that a developer would snap up the land, leaving it unprotected and closed to riders.
The parcels, owned by the Freeman family, are in a region near Anza-Borrego and the Ocotillo Wells off-road area. The parcels are scattered throughout a 14,700-acre area known as Truckhaven/Desert Cahuilla that offers riders 250 miles of roads and trails in pristine backcountry.
In addition to the diverse wildlife, more than 75 sites of archaeological or historic significance have been identified, including at least 10 that are eligible for the National Register of Historic Places, according to the state."
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Jul 18, 2006 | 08:13 PM
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IMPORTANT UPDATE FOLKS, action needed! Write a letter please!
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The California Public Works Board approved the site selection for the
Truckhaven Acquisition after pulling it from the consent callendar at
their Friday (July 14) meeting.
It passed unanimously.
Next step will be final approval at the August 11th meeting. They need
positive letters of support for the acquisition project.
A sample letter is posted at http://www.muirnet.net under the Truckhaven
Acquisition link.
Letters should stress importance of this area to recreation interests,
support for balanced stewardship of resources while maintaining access,
recognition that the state will do a long term public land use
management plan after acquisition, and that in the interim, State Parks
will provide protection of resources while recognizing existing uses and
access.
Letters should be addressed to:
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn, Administrative Secretary to the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor, Sacramento CA 95814-3706
e-mail: "Karen.Finn@dof.ca.gov"
Please provide a copy to:
Rick LeFlore - RLEFL@parks.ca.gov
and John Stewart: john@muirnet.net
***************
The California Public Works Board approved the site selection for the
Truckhaven Acquisition after pulling it from the consent callendar at
their Friday (July 14) meeting.
It passed unanimously.
Next step will be final approval at the August 11th meeting. They need
positive letters of support for the acquisition project.
A sample letter is posted at http://www.muirnet.net under the Truckhaven
Acquisition link.
Letters should stress importance of this area to recreation interests,
support for balanced stewardship of resources while maintaining access,
recognition that the state will do a long term public land use
management plan after acquisition, and that in the interim, State Parks
will provide protection of resources while recognizing existing uses and
access.
Letters should be addressed to:
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn, Administrative Secretary to the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor, Sacramento CA 95814-3706
e-mail: "Karen.Finn@dof.ca.gov"
Please provide a copy to:
Rick LeFlore - RLEFL@parks.ca.gov
and John Stewart: john@muirnet.net
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Jul 18, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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Dang..I could swear I just posted in this thread...
I'm with Eric when I say that I had a blast at the TDS this year. It is a great area to have open and well worth a letter!
Calamaridog - you've been laying low since the Smuggler's run trip
I'm with Eric when I say that I had a blast at the TDS this year. It is a great area to have open and well worth a letter!
Calamaridog - you've been laying low since the Smuggler's run trip
Jul 19, 2006 | 12:26 AM
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Here is my sample letter based upon the information from Mr. Stewart:
July 18, 20006
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn
Administrative Secretary of the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814-3706
Attention Karen Finn,
I am writing as a concerned recreation user to request your support for a prospective land purchase, in the area commonly known as Truckhaven, by California Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) and to commit those lands for motorized recreation under management by the Off Highway Motorized Vehicle Recreation Division of DPR. I am asking you to support purchase of those lands for the purpose of expanding the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area (OWSVRA).
This area has been used by recreational 4wd and OHV users for over 50 years. This is a perfect area to be considered for such continued use and the DPR is the most capable agency to manage the use of this area. Additionally, the continuation of OHV use in Imperial County is an important part of the local economy, especially in the Salton City area.
I understand the State will develop a management plan for this new purchase and I am committed to seeing OHV use continue in this area, while I also recognize the importance of protecting cultural and biological interests. Despite unfounded claims to the contrary, both OHV use and resource protection can occur with adequate planning and management.
Thank you for your concern in this matter.
Respectfully,
Bryan Cox
La Mesa, CA
Member:
Blue Ribbon Coalition
California Off-Road Vehicle Association
Toyota Land Cruiser Association
July 18, 20006
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn
Administrative Secretary of the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814-3706
Attention Karen Finn,
I am writing as a concerned recreation user to request your support for a prospective land purchase, in the area commonly known as Truckhaven, by California Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) and to commit those lands for motorized recreation under management by the Off Highway Motorized Vehicle Recreation Division of DPR. I am asking you to support purchase of those lands for the purpose of expanding the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area (OWSVRA).
This area has been used by recreational 4wd and OHV users for over 50 years. This is a perfect area to be considered for such continued use and the DPR is the most capable agency to manage the use of this area. Additionally, the continuation of OHV use in Imperial County is an important part of the local economy, especially in the Salton City area.
I understand the State will develop a management plan for this new purchase and I am committed to seeing OHV use continue in this area, while I also recognize the importance of protecting cultural and biological interests. Despite unfounded claims to the contrary, both OHV use and resource protection can occur with adequate planning and management.
Thank you for your concern in this matter.
Respectfully,
Bryan Cox
La Mesa, CA
Member:
Blue Ribbon Coalition
California Off-Road Vehicle Association
Toyota Land Cruiser Association
Jul 19, 2006 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanto
Dang..I could swear I just posted in this thread...
I'm with Eric when I say that I had a blast at the TDS this year. It is a great area to have open and well worth a letter!
Calamaridog - you've been laying low since the Smuggler's run trip
I'm with Eric when I say that I had a blast at the TDS this year. It is a great area to have open and well worth a letter!
Calamaridog - you've been laying low since the Smuggler's run trip
Hey, didn't you roll your truck?
Jul 19, 2006 | 04:06 AM
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I will work on a letter today. Thanks for keeping us up to speed on this. I am interested in becoming active in at least one of the OHV groups you are a member of. Could you suggest one to me that is focused on land use and a tread lightly mentality?
And that is just way too funny! He got her all fixed up and then some. That was a crazy day for my man Ryan.
Originally Posted by calamaridog
Hey, didn't you roll your truck?
Jul 21, 2006 | 02:11 AM
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Eric,
It is hard to say. I like Blue Ribbon Coalition because they are a national group and they fight for 4x4, OHV, Personal Watercraft, Snowmobiles, etc. They have 10,000 members and a real staff and attorneys, etc. Their basic dues are only $20 per year.
I don't know much about CORVA, I just gave them a try this year. Not overly impressed so far but I didn't attend any of their activities either.
You can't go wrong with Cal4wd, but it's mostly Jeepers
I have little experience with San Diego Off Road Coalition and have not formed an opinion.
I just like to feel like I'm informed and doing something.
It is hard to say. I like Blue Ribbon Coalition because they are a national group and they fight for 4x4, OHV, Personal Watercraft, Snowmobiles, etc. They have 10,000 members and a real staff and attorneys, etc. Their basic dues are only $20 per year.
I don't know much about CORVA, I just gave them a try this year. Not overly impressed so far but I didn't attend any of their activities either.
You can't go wrong with Cal4wd, but it's mostly Jeepers
I have little experience with San Diego Off Road Coalition and have not formed an opinion.
I just like to feel like I'm informed and doing something.
Jul 22, 2006 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ecchamberlin
I just sent the letter to you and to Rick.
Thanks again for keeping us informed!
Thanks again for keeping us informed!
Just for the record, I changed my post above. You are sending a copy to John Stewart (Cal4wd) and a guy who works for State Parks who want OHV use at Truckhaven.
Thank you for sending the letter :bigclap:
Jul 22, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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SO do I need to send it to him or did you forward it to him? I already got a very positive reply from Rick LaFlore.
Just let me know where it needs to go.
To everyone else who is here in SoCal....
Please take a second to write a couple of words to help keep Truckhaven for our OHV use. It only takes a couple of minutes and they need to see public support for this!
I will also post a copy of the letter I wrote to help you out with a few ideas of what to send. Honestly I used Calamaridogs letter as a template and just changed the wording so it did not seem so simular.
Just let me know where it needs to go.
To everyone else who is here in SoCal....
Please take a second to write a couple of words to help keep Truckhaven for our OHV use. It only takes a couple of minutes and they need to see public support for this!
I will also post a copy of the letter I wrote to help you out with a few ideas of what to send. Honestly I used Calamaridogs letter as a template and just changed the wording so it did not seem so simular.
Jul 22, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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Another example letter to use. 
July 20, 20006
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn
Administrative Secretary of the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814-3706
Attention Karen Finn,
I am writing this letter to express my concerns over the future land uses of the Truckhaven area in Southern California. I am aware that lands in this area are under review and purchase by California Department of Parks and Recreation. I am asking you to support the purchase of these lands. This is an area that myself and many others enjoy using as an Off Highway Vehicle recreation area and would very much like to see it maintained and managed so that it can continue to be utilized in a responsible manner.
For the last 7 years my family and I have made numerous camping and off roading trips to the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area, Superstition Mountain and Truckhaven OHV sites. These areas offer an excellent opportunity to escape urban life and take full advantage of the beautiful views and land formations.
Many of the groups who use these lands support a ‘Tread Lightly’ type of mentality and exercise great care in ensuring that we clean up after ourselves, minimizing our impact to the environment.
I absolutely believe that with open communication between the area managers and the land users, we can preserve the environmental balance and at the same time enjoy these lands which could be set aside and protected from further development.
Thank you for your time and consideration on this matter.
Very Respectfully,
Eric C. Chamberlin
Imperial Beach, CA
A member of Toyota Territory Off Road Association.
July 20, 20006
State Public Works Board
Karen Finn
Administrative Secretary of the State Public Works Board
915 L Street, 9th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814-3706
Attention Karen Finn,
I am writing this letter to express my concerns over the future land uses of the Truckhaven area in Southern California. I am aware that lands in this area are under review and purchase by California Department of Parks and Recreation. I am asking you to support the purchase of these lands. This is an area that myself and many others enjoy using as an Off Highway Vehicle recreation area and would very much like to see it maintained and managed so that it can continue to be utilized in a responsible manner.
For the last 7 years my family and I have made numerous camping and off roading trips to the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area, Superstition Mountain and Truckhaven OHV sites. These areas offer an excellent opportunity to escape urban life and take full advantage of the beautiful views and land formations.
Many of the groups who use these lands support a ‘Tread Lightly’ type of mentality and exercise great care in ensuring that we clean up after ourselves, minimizing our impact to the environment.
I absolutely believe that with open communication between the area managers and the land users, we can preserve the environmental balance and at the same time enjoy these lands which could be set aside and protected from further development.
Thank you for your time and consideration on this matter.
Very Respectfully,
Eric C. Chamberlin
Imperial Beach, CA
A member of Toyota Territory Off Road Association.
Jul 22, 2006 | 04:15 PM
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