Land Usage & Off Road Responsibility Discussion pertaining to the education of proper land usage, closures, and responsible off road driving

Between 3300 and 3900 miles of trails in Moab to be closed!

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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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Between 3300 and 3900 miles of trails in Moab to be closed!

Alright boys and girls. This is it! The final push. Anyone and everyone needs to put a short letter together TODAY!!!!! Even if you never do anything else about land use do this one thing, please, please, please.

The new Moab Resource Management Plan will be finalized by next summer. Depending on how things go, somewhere between 3300 and 3900 miles of EXISTING, DOCUMENTED routes WILL be closed. Keep it closer to 3300 by spending a few minutes reading this post.

The public comment period is open until Friday November 30th!

Your comments will determine how many miles and trails are lost.

Here is a ton of information from Utah 4 Wheel Drive Association, Red Rock 4 Wheelers, Moab Friends-For-Wheelin', and Blueribbon Coalition:

http://www.u4wda.org/documents/U4WDA...nformation.pdf

Please, please, please, take a few minutes to download this document and read it before submitting your comments. We need substantive comments.

Page 7 lists the most important 4x4 specific issues.

Page 15 lists an awesome sample comment letter by BRC.

Page 18 is the official comment letter from Utah 4 Wheel Drive Association.

Page 3 has the address/email for submitting comments

We also have some sweet map comparisons here:

http://www.u4wda.org/moab


A high-up anti-OHV rep boasted that we wouldn't even come close to matching the number of comments they will submit. They are counting on the apathy of 4x4 users to institute these closures in Moab. Don't let them win!

Spend 10 minutes to help save a trail!

FAQ:

Q: Why don't you just list the email address to submit comments?
A: Comments need to be substantive! Simple comments like, "please keep the roads open" or "I support OHV recreation" are worthless and will be discarded. Take a few minutes to read through the information provided, and submit your own comments.

Q: Why don't we use an automated "letter writer" online to submit comments?
A: Automatically generated comments are worthless! These comments are counted as ONE comment even if 10,000 people send in the email. The comments need to be personal, unique, and informed.

Q: Isn't this a little late notice?
A: Information about the RMP has been available for months all over the Internet, in publications, and on numerous online forums. But it's not too late! Submit your comments today!

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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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404 file not found.

post the full link again?
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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404 file not found.

post the full link again?
updated

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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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Working now. Cmon guys, send in those letters!

btw you may want to talk to a mod, see if this can get into a more viewed forum, or perhaps a stick at the top of every forum since this directly affects us all.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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I have to be honset whats wrong with having to pay to use? Seems that would work for both groups. We have to pay to off road in sedona.

I'm seriouslly not reading all 1500 pages of that crap to get my answer, Im lazy.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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I have to be honset whats wrong with having to pay to use? Seems that would work for both groups. We have to pay to off road in sedona.

I'm seriouslly not reading all 1500 pages of that crap to get my answer, Im lazy.
Do you pay taxes? Yes, you do? Then you have already paid to use the land that YOUR tax dollars are being spent on.

Its public land, owned by the PUBLIC. Paying to use it indicates a private entity, which is wrong.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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I see your point but it's kinda a trade off. Pay for use or don't even get the option. MY taxes also go to parks but I don't use the swings, they go to buildings I never step foot in. I pay to get into the grand canyon when I know ways to get in for free, I pay to offroad in sedona, I pay to use the picnic grounds around my town, but I'm there, I'm using them. I just think it's better to have the option to pay for use rather then not be able to enjoy these places at all.

PS I'm a disabled veteran and am entitled to free use of any national park but I still pay. Whats a couuple more dollars 1/2 a gallon of fuel?
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 06:07 AM
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shouldn't this be a sticky?
This will affect all people who want to enjoy Moab.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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Done and Done. WE recently had a similar issue trying to close several trials in Tellico OHV near Murphy, NC. One of the largest and most exstensive OHV's in the southeastern part of the country. We had a big letter writing push, and at least got a temporary reprieve. I wrote this letter for you guys also!! Best of luck!!!

Everyone WRITE SOME LETTERS!!!!
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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who do i PM to nominate this for a sticky?

great work guys! keep the letters flowin!

-Jason
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SAMI188
who do i PM to nominate this for a sticky?

great work guys! keep the letters flowin!

-Jason
Also Done!
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:26 PM
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Thread is stuck, thanks for the PM Chris.

Ah, er, someone else used the "Report this post" feature to get it stuck

I thought we had a fight to break up or something...
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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hahahaha
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Corey
Thread is stuck, thanks for the PM Chris.

Ah, er, someone else used the "Report this post" feature to get it stuck

I thought we had a fight to break up or something...
my appologies.. it was the fastest way i knew how to contact a mod without searching one out..

thank you Corey

-Jason
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Im more than happy to put in a good word for u guys but my computer wont open it. it keeps freaking out so sorry.... good luck tho
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Old Apr 3, 2009 | 06:28 AM
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the links doesnt work--i keep getting a HTML ERROR 404.

And agree--my taxes alread paid for public lands--Right whats a million here and a million there--Answer--USA's Trillion Dollar Debt
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