The NO oil change oil filter...??
#21
#22
Sure its fine and dandy that your oil is clean after 15K but your oil breaks down after use. Your oil may come out clean but the viscosity will be terrible and the acidity will be through the roof.
But your oil will be clean.
But your oil will be clean.
#23
I agree 100%. the TP works great as a filter but I feel oil still needs to be changed I don't care what anyone says. OIL BREAKS DOWN!! and it needs to be changed. I change mine every 5,000 miles when I had my honda and ran synthetic I changed it every 10,000.
#24
Heat does not chemically cause oil to break down, however acid acts as an emulsifier (like grease cutting soap) by adding a hydrogen molecule and therefore making the oil molecule polar- this process is sped up by heat. I know of no quality of TP being acid resistant... plus you shred the stuff the lady left behind with your pee so i have my doubts lol.
I can see it now, rerouted oil line fixated to a shotgunned BUSCH can stuffed with tp and return line duct taped to the hi flo WIDE MOUTH!!!!!
I can see it now, rerouted oil line fixated to a shotgunned BUSCH can stuffed with tp and return line duct taped to the hi flo WIDE MOUTH!!!!!
#25
#26
Im no scientist but google says oil does not break down or wear out it gets dirty or contaminated . Thats why we change oil and filters.
My bad , found a few more articles that says oil does break down. So I dont know!!
My bad , found a few more articles that says oil does break down. So I dont know!!
Last edited by RMA; Jun 7, 2009 at 08:34 PM.
#27
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In that case, why would TP work any better than any other filter? It would still get dirty, and like any filter (and oil that passes through) it will need changing.
#28
Found This...
According to leading oil analysis companies in the U.S., as well as a Technical Bulletin (#863)published by Mobil Oil, Oil itself does not "break down". The base oil will always remain the base oil. However, many factors cause an oil to become less and less efficient at lubricating.
According to the Mobil Oil Technical Bulletin #863, "Oil does not wear-out, break-down, or otherwise deteriorate to the point that it needs to be replaced. It does become contaminated with water, acids, carbon and sludge so that it can no longer provide the protection needed for high precision engine components."
Ultra-fine filtration (less than one micron) can substantially reduce the contaminates to a point where the oil is "better than new". However, there are factors that must be considered.
First, engine oil if formulated with many additives. There are additives to reduce foaming, clean the engine internals, modify the viscosity, and hold particulate. Using a sub-micron filter can remove (strip) any additive that is held "in suspension" (dispersed) from the oil, if it is larger than the micron rating of the filter. Any additive that is "in solution" (dissolved) in the oil will not be removed. According to Mobil, only the viscosity modifier is "in suspension" and able to be removed. But there is an exception. The dirt holding molecules in the oil can be removed after the dirt has begun to cling to these molecules. I will show why this is important in a moment.
Second, the filter must not only remove the particulate contamination, but also the moisture, oxides, acids and sludge to be the most effective. Without removing these contaminants, your engine will start to eat itself away from the inside.
Therefore, if you can continually filter the oil through a filter that is rated to less than one micron, remove the oxides, acid, sludge and moisture, you can effectively keep your oil at better than new specifications.
According to leading oil analysis companies in the U.S., as well as a Technical Bulletin (#863)published by Mobil Oil, Oil itself does not "break down". The base oil will always remain the base oil. However, many factors cause an oil to become less and less efficient at lubricating.
According to the Mobil Oil Technical Bulletin #863, "Oil does not wear-out, break-down, or otherwise deteriorate to the point that it needs to be replaced. It does become contaminated with water, acids, carbon and sludge so that it can no longer provide the protection needed for high precision engine components."
Ultra-fine filtration (less than one micron) can substantially reduce the contaminates to a point where the oil is "better than new". However, there are factors that must be considered.
First, engine oil if formulated with many additives. There are additives to reduce foaming, clean the engine internals, modify the viscosity, and hold particulate. Using a sub-micron filter can remove (strip) any additive that is held "in suspension" (dispersed) from the oil, if it is larger than the micron rating of the filter. Any additive that is "in solution" (dissolved) in the oil will not be removed. According to Mobil, only the viscosity modifier is "in suspension" and able to be removed. But there is an exception. The dirt holding molecules in the oil can be removed after the dirt has begun to cling to these molecules. I will show why this is important in a moment.
Second, the filter must not only remove the particulate contamination, but also the moisture, oxides, acids and sludge to be the most effective. Without removing these contaminants, your engine will start to eat itself away from the inside.
Therefore, if you can continually filter the oil through a filter that is rated to less than one micron, remove the oxides, acid, sludge and moisture, you can effectively keep your oil at better than new specifications.
#29
#30
So if you find a way to make TP that neutralizes acid, has a filtration ability of less than one micron, is able to filter the bi-products of acid breakdown (oxides), and wick away moisture- i'd say get a patent on that shiz and retire to a sweet spread.
#31
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