i have a similar problem... i'm looking for a tow rig.... whats better Ford or Chevy.

 

my chevy seems to work just fine.

as far as the Jeep Vs. Toyota debate:

I have a 221:1 double low crawl ratio in my '81 (3.9 first gear *2.28 front case*4.7 rear case*5.29 diff)...try getting that with a Jeep

the aftermarket is extensive for both Brands...Jeep and Fiat--sounds like a winning combination now

 

haha neither get a tundra duh

 

Regarding ground clearance, you ain't look'n at things correctly.
You both have the same size tires and there is no way that your diff sits 3"~4" higher (in the rear) then his. The diffs are the lowest point and they sit, within reason, the same height off the ground, thus the same ground clearance.



Fred

 

Actually the Jeep has a much better "crawl ratio" then his Yota.




Fred

 

No need for all that sillyness with an auto tranny.
You only hear that type of stuff from y'all that drive these things with too many pedals on the floor board

The after market is much more extensive for the Jeep than the Yota and it is much more mature for reasons that I simply don't understand.
The suspension lift aftermarket for Yota's is pathetic and grossly under engineered, again, for reasons that I have no idea why.
I was shocked when I move from Jeep to Toyota. The suspension after market for Toyota's is primitive at best. Kinda sad to say the least



Fred

 

You've got to get this thing back home right? The Jeep might have a slight edge in performance, but they're breakable and a shopping cart is going to outwheel a broken Jeep.

I've got a Toyota because I actually need to get back home. Toyotas do alright in the rough stuff and you don't have to worry about breaking it (and immobilizing it) as much.


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Fred:
I can handle a third pedal on the floor. Why are you here?
Having 20 forward and 4 reverse choices makes for a better wheeling experience for me. And yes you can have the same choices with an Automatic (Toyota)...I can crawl over obstacles that a lot of (not all) auto equipped jeeps dream about.

Part of the sillyness as you seem to think helps me to tread lightly by not spinning my wheels and tearing up a trail, no need to stack rocks, and I have a 28 year old 4 banger that is kind of gutless. and I have spent less on my sillyness than some jeep owners have spent to replace their weak stock axles

 

Wheeling, I'm sure the jeep and the truck are about equal. But like all the other guys have said, the yota isn't gonna break down as often. Plus, getting in and out of an xj is a huge PITA compared to a yota. And the jeeps a unibody. And the 4.0s like to catch fire.

Where in long island are you, and where do you off road?

 

Ain't that the truth!, D30 in the rear..gotta be careful with 33s bawahaha

 

You need to learn how to read.

The Yota has a 37:1, the Jeep has a 28:1.

 

Sorry that you seemed to have missed the smiley, winky faces ( ) in my post. Most of it was "tongue in cheek".

I am here because I own a Toyota now. Maybe you missed that part in my post also

Which is actually a typo now that I re-read it.
It should read "when I moved from Jeep to Toyota"



Fred

 

Dude where in the universe are you from

The 4.0 is an extremely reliable engine.
At least they don't eat head gaskets like there ain't no 'morrow




Fred

 

No, I did read that.
What you need to understand that it is kinda senseless talking about "crawl ratio" when the vehicle has an auto tranny.
The torque converter supplies an, almost, infinitely variable "crawl ratio" and an, almost, infinitely variable amount of torque (up to the max. that the engine produces).




Fred

 

OK. The Yota with the 37:1 has a manual tranny. The Jeep with the 28:1 has an auto.

So you're saying that the auto has a better ratio than the manual since it is almost, infinitely variable. Yeah that's bull.

Nice try though.

 

Why does it matter who's vehicle is better for wheeling. You said it yourself, you don't intend to wheel your Toy. There isn't a better vehicle wshen you don't want to take it wheeling. His is better because he wheels it. My wife's Sport Trac is better because it gets wheeled. Now go out there and wheel it with your brother and come back here and tell us which did better. I would hate to say it, but it doesn't seem like you have much experience so I would say he might come out ahead. All in all the better truck is the one with the frame!

 

Exactly what I was going to say.


Throw an e-locker in your rear and SAS your truck, you'll be golden.

 

Sorry Dude you simply don't understand auto trannys.
Try it some time.
I've driven both, for years, as have a ton of other people.

You simply don't understand auto trannies at all.
Not a big deal. A lot of people don't.



Fred

 

Indeed the 4.0 is pretty bulletproof, but they don't like valve cover gaskets. And they dump oil into the airbox. Besides those things and 15MPG I couldn't complain about the 4.0....got my only "speeding" ticket with my Jeep

 

You got me there. Although I too have driven both auto and manual equiped rigs I guess I don't really understand the auto thing, just because I've driven several doesn't mean I've ever even opened one up to take a look.

I was under the assumption that the final drive ratio was indeed the crawl ratio (lowest gear in the tranny+lowest gear in the transfer case+gears at the axles). I didn't think having an auto gave one the ability to change that final drive by a large amount.

Thanks for clearing that up.

edit: Although that may read sarcastic no sarcasm was intended or implied.