I have a 84 toyota celica ministock racing on a 1/4 mile dirt track. Ive went threw two motors n tired of not being able to keep up with the ford. Any advise on what motor combinations to do with out to much cost?

 

upgrading a motor usually ends up costing, I am not sure on your price range. Upgrading a 22r is usually expensive and you don't gain much.
Might want to move up in class to a hobby stock, if they have that V8s. The cost isn't that much more and the modifications are worth doing.

 

O ya and welcome to yotatech

 

i would really like to move up to a v8 but i have 3 other family members that r gonna be racing next year so its really not a problem staying in the 4 cylinders. i got several blocks n heads from 20r to 22r except a 20r head.

 

lets see this celica :p

 

srry pic wouldnt load

 

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Dont waste your time running a 20r head. Just throw a 7mge in there. You can get them SUPER cheap. I THINK it will work with your stock tranny (use the 7mge bell housing) and motor mount brackets from a 5mge.

It's got some pep

I know this is a common swap for the pickups, its very easy, you just need to find out if the 7mge bell housing will match up with your tranny

I'm doing this swap on my pickup soon, i've found some 7mge supras for $400 to $500 that have been wrecked and stuff. Then you have the money back for part out when your done with the swap

 

this is probly is dumb ? but what is a 7mge?

 

Inline six that some of us, including me dream about. They can be easy to find at times, but not sure if rules would let you run one. Sweet car

 

no our cars have to be the stock motor for the make n model for the car, cant exceed 2450cc n no porting or polishing the intake. So any suggestions on what combination of parts to get more hp n torque?

 

They won't even let you porting or polishing the intake that sucks.
Here are some things you might try I don't if they will help or if they are even legal at your track.
You could change the cam they are not to expensive which will allow you to move your power band around. If the fords pulls away from you on the straight you might consider lowering the power band with a 261° cam. This will increase power at a lower rpm where the 22r is gutless. It will however make the power band drop off a little earlier.
K&N air filter and cut off as much exhaust as they will let you to increase air flow.
Lower tire pressure to increase traction, if you can make the car hook up you can go threw the corners faster.
Move the weight in the car to the inside of the track as much as you can get away with. You don't want to increase the weight of the car just move it around, you can put sand in the roll cage to hide it
You can make the spring stiffer on the out side of the track.
When you assemble a engine make sure it has good compression, and runs well.
I have heard that making them run a little rich makes more power but I do not know if this is true.
You could look up the ford engine that they are running and the toyota engine you are running and see which engine is making better power. In the stock form they may have an advantage in the head.

 

i got a 255 degree cam to go in it from lc engineering, the set up n the weight of the car is almost perfect but im gonna have to tweak it a little bit when i get a good motor together. im gonna run open headers. what head n block do i need to get more compression n better flow, i have a early 22r block so i can run a dual timing chain? i heard that a 20r head is better but is the only diff the flow n smaller valves

 

They allow a modified cam ??? mmmmmm, how interesting.
Assuming you know how to setup the car (and it does sound that way) and assuming your driving skills match the skill of those that are beating you, then it probably just boils down to the fact that the Ford(s) is/are a better vehicle for those conditions (relative low speeds so more torque required at the bottom end, setup so that the left rear bites good coming off the corners, etc).
If they allow it, and sense they allow a cam change it may be ok, try re-gearing.
As already mentioned those engines bite at the low end. Well, they kinda bite at the top end and middle end also.
They're designed more for reliability.

BTW, what tires are allowed ? If you have a choice are you sure you're running the correct tire for the track conditions ?


Fred

 

http://www.toysport.com/technical%20...tech_notes.htm call Ted @ engnbldr.com he raced these engines for years

 

im runnin 13in hoosiers, medium compound

 

im really not to worried bout the setup of the car, just tryin to get so info on a good motor so i can beat the fords?

 

you can get a stock 20 valve motor form japan off ebay its cheap easy swap and it should fit in your qualification and it revs to 10,000 rpm talk about torque. i love these motors and they are reliable. and many parts are available because its from a corolla in japan. will drop right in with after market motor mounts. i hope this helps get back to me if u have questions about it i have alot of info on it. u would beat anything out there and it would be a head turner (the engine).

 

o ya and its fuel injected so u only have to run half the fuel. weight reduction

 

That Car looks super fun. Good Luck.