DKyotas

I have a 22re Jasper motor out of a 89 pickup. I was wanting to put it in a 84 pickup and make it a 22r. I don't even know if this is possible are what it would take to do this. Can someone please help!!!

Outsane

just pull off all the EFI stuff and put on the carb stuff...

not sure about the fuel pump though.. but as far as I know everything else is interchange able..

half cocked irishman

I'm pretty sure u have to change the head as well. If your going for a wheeler u should just keep the fuel injection as it will always send fuel and always run. If your gonna carberater it then u need to invest it a nice carberater so that on extreme incline/decline or roll over, your motor will still receive fuel and fire.

Granted carberated motors are a hell of a lot easier to work on.

ChefYota4x4

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Just curious, before I share TOO much in the realm of opinion....why do you want to convert it from 22re to Carb'd? Your reasoning, etc., might help some to give you advice as to whether it's best for ya, you know?

I'm only guessing...but am I right in assuming that, ..."You have an 84 now, needing a motor, etc., ..but you ONLY have the 22re MOTOR, no wiring harness, etc? That can be a bit more work, and I think if you have the wiring in your 84, all ready to go...that would make more sense of why you'd want to do what you're asking.

Outsane

Looks like that is what he want to do chef, skip the hassle of making his 84 EFI..

half cocked irishman ... why does the head need to be swapped?

half cocked irishman

Like I said. Im not positive. My buddy said something about it to the guy I got my runner from. Apparently he wanted to do same conversion. Like I said though. I'm not for sure.

ChefYota4x4

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Same head should be bolt on. No issues. Only time is if you would change head the and go with 20R head and 22R block(then, it has to be a specific early year 22r block,etc.).... and in that case, you also have to change to "DISH"(?) top pistons, have the block 'decked', etc. It's a bit of work from what I read, and some things can be skipped on that mod(20R head with 22r block)...but if you skip them, like the pistons, then you'd have even less power than with a stock 22r, ....so why bother, right? haha.

Far as the Orig. Poster, ...I thing I guessed right as to what he is thinking..but I'll wait for him to say, lol.

ChefYota4x4

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Far as the set up, it's definitely different regarding the intake ports of the head, etc. I'm hoping a guy I know on here will stop in... he's just having some troubles with something else, so it may be a lil bit...bit HE WILL FOR SURE answer all your questions as to how, etc., if he wants to that is, lol.

DKyotas

Thanks for all the answers everyone. The reason why I'm staying carb is my buddy bought the 89 for parts and has took a lot of the efi off. The truck I have is a 84 but had a 86 motor. I've heard about the head thing but was told I could just change the cam??? Thanks again everyone

Outsane

I believe all the later 22r's and 22re's have a square ports on the intake side..

the Exhaust ends are round on 84 and earlier, and pear shaped after that, but I think it will mount fine either way..

rip it apart and let us know for sure..

ChefYota4x4

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I'm not sure even the CAM is a different duration, DK. In fact, I really doubt that, as a buddy of mine, Brandon, has a carb'd 87 pu and he's thrown a 268 Engnbldr cam in, no problem. You might want to pull the rocker assembly and cam and have them checked out..in which case you could just have the head inspected and see if it's 'worthy' or 'really needy' ?

Basically, you're going to have a motor without the intake, different distributor> pretty sure, as I believe the carb'd models have a vacuum advance attached....which could possibly be added on to the Dizzy that's in this motor you're looking at(or maybe you still have that dizzy from your 84?)

Also, if you have this 86 sitting there, does it have a blown motor in it? If so, couldn't you just swap over the intake and everything you need to switch the 22re motor over to 22r?

Kinda need more info on "what exactlyyyyy are you starting with, both sides of the spectrum", i.e. ; Do you have the old carb'd components? Wanna go OEM carb or Weber? have the dizzy you need or a plan for the vacuum advance on the dizzy in the 22re donor(is that possible, etc.)? ? ? Gonna do the chain kit before you slap it in there? HG? Anything?

ChefYota4x4

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Hey Outsane!

Yeah, and yet, I think he's saying he's dealing with an 84 Truck that HADHAS an 86 22r motor in it(NEED TO KNOW, DK).... which should be just bolt on for the rest, granting he's got the intake stuff from his old motor, etc?

irab88

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also, if you use the electric fuel pump, you'll need an oil pressure switch to stop fuel flow in case of a stall. and a few other things like a momentary switch for starting and to wire it in to ignition

or just install a mechanical one (you'll need the lobe on the cam gear)

or just go propane, and get rid of all fuel stuff

ChefYota4x4

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Hahaha, ...I knew that propane thought was coming!

Far as the cam, ..I thought the block plate on mine/ours is where a gear driven pump drive for the manual pump goes, ...no?

Anyway, could be interesting to watch this if he does pics, etc., ya know? lol.

Rootin for ya, DK!

DKyotas

I do have all the 86 motor it is locked up. The intake I plan on using is the 86, I'm also going with a weber carb did consider propane but more than I want to spend. I figured the distributer had to change too going to use the one out of the 86 motor. Really all besides the 84 truck all the parts will be off a 86.

DKyotas

Also yes it's a 84 truck that had a 86 motor in it. I still have everything off the 86 motor plus most all the parts for the original 84 motor

ChefYota4x4

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I THINK you should be good to go then, DK! Nothing wrong with asking around, but I'm fairly certain that if you have everything you need off that 86 to slap on the Long Block/formerly EFI motor, .....I can't see why you'd not be ok. BTW, it's locked up, can you use the CAM if you need it though? (Trust me, please....just take a really good look at it and the rockers, etc., ok?)

wyoming9

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You will be using the ECU and Fuel pump off the 86 22R engine.

Other then those two items it is pretty much remove the efi system and bolt the carbed system on.

You don`t say any thing about what trans but if a manual it is a real good time for a clutch

Since this is a recent Jasper engine the timing chain should be good to go but it doesnt hurt to have a look.

peow130

The real issue is going to be the fuel delivery.
I don't know for sure whether or not the EFI heads had the hole for the manual fuel pump like the 22R does.
If it does, then you can use the manual pump.
If not, then you'll need a low pressure pump and regulator...
Might consider getting a weber, also.

toyota4x4907

Without reading the other replies besides Peow's, To make an '85+ ("laser" block) 22re into a 22r, you need carb'd stuff from similar year carb'd 22r. You can't use an '85+ head on an '84 and older block, or an '84 older head on an '85+ block. Different deck heights You can't use '85+ intake manifold on an older head, visa-versa. I dont think the exhaust manifolds will work either (could be wrong).
Peow- All 22r(-e) heads were cast with the mechanical fuel pump port. Theres just a block-off plate on the R-E.