sooo............... what about the rest of the years?

 

If you didnt know, every car was slow right after the 70's hit due to emissions. Japanese cars were running 18's in the 1/8, italian cars had 250hp on a good day as well as the american section. Buddy it was only until the 84 corvette came out that every other sports car started to try and catch it as it had the best of technology and was the first car to pull 1.0g on the skid pad. I hate to break it to ya but the vette has been considered the best bang for the buck as for the past 50 years and in the 80's it was out running every american car, and european car in its price range or even 2x its cost. Whats funny is motor trend said back in I believe 89 that the corvette has been faster than every car within 20k of its price so I have no idea where your getting that. It also got better gas mileage in the 80's than most japanese cars. I mean why buy a car thats slower and gets less gas mileage. In 1992 the supra turbo had a top speed of around 142mph while the Corvette ran 182mph. The supra couldnt break 13's in the 1/4 while the Corvette was running 12.80s. In the skid pad the supra rarely saw .90g while the zr-1 was pulling .98g on a regular basis. So where do you get that the supra was faster in any shape or form. I dont have to go into any of the other years as it was only worse. You can buy a mid 80's vette for 2k and put less that 6k in it and it will run circles around those clown cars. Whats bad is that ive gotta use my 96 Viper as my daily driver until I figure out whats wrong with my toyota. Sorry not trying to dog on toyota but its just giving me much more trouble than I expected.

 

Hmmm. Seem to have me pegged not only as the guy that bagged the vette as far as early 80's onto the mid 90's but also as the one that cited the supra.

Anyway, emissions was a little less the case as was mileage. Early 80's remember? Gas crunch? Waiting in lines for 5 gals? Even and Odd days? Emissions standards were still useless.

And putting all the major markets in the same catergory was a mistake too.
1985 for example, you could buy a depressing 4 banger camaro, with 85hp, or an even worse 4 banger mustang with 80. Or you could by a 22re toyo pickup with over 100, hell you could buy a 85 rabbit with 85hp, and it weighed half as much as the camaro.

As for quick cars in a price range...people seem to forget Porsche in those years...sure they had the 944, but nobody is perfect. They still sold that glorious 911. 256hp vs the vettes 230. Weighed in at almost a third less too. With better gas mileage, a higher top speed, and much, much better handling then the vette. for 2g's more...

Anyone remember the Vettes arch nemisis in the 60's and 70's? The empi inch pincher. Little VW bug running 11's... for a total investment of 4 grand, and that included the price of the car.

The vette is no doubt, speed for cheap money. It is by no small means "America's sports car". But it has yet to earn a super cars standing.

The modern Z06 starts out around 75k. With 505hp. Pretty dang good. But it still loses out to even an Impreza S204. Which costs 20k less, and only has a 4 pot motor.

Oh, and you mentioned in 84 every car company tried to catch up to the Vette. In 82 The Audi Sports Quattro GT had more horse and torque then any year vette up until 86 along with All wheel drive and 6 piston brakes. And was pulling over 1.10g in the skids, and was never once tooted as a super car. You also had the Porsche 959 running better figures than the Vette in 89, and while it was a limited production run, it was only modestly more expensive than the Vette.

 

No, I have read it in several magazines such as car & driver. I picked up my Toyota simply because I knew they were fairly trouble free & run for many miles, I just don't think the build quality is the same as it was in the past. 80's vs. today for example. just my opinion though. If I were to purchase a brand new vehicle it would not be a Toyota simply because of the lack of styling & power, If I want another good $2-$3 thousand dollar used vehicle I would get another Toyota.


About the Corvette argument, Can you really compare a Supra to a Vette (stock for stock) I don't think so. Yes you can make a Supra really fast but it's still a Supra. I think the Vette wins. Todays Vette's are AWESOME! and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Chevy's. I would much rather have a new Vette than just about anything else in it's class & price range. I would take a Ford GT over a Vette but it's more money too. Vette has the most bang for the buck for sure!

 

although i have not researched the topic very much, I do believe "car & driver" is an american magazine... Would it not be expected that the magazine would have a bias towards american cars?

I guarantee that all the commercials in Japan hype the reliability of toyotas over other foreign (american) cars.

Although I do agree that durability in cars has been fading throughout the years, regarding newer cars, this is due to the shift to performance over reliability. If they wanted to make cars now that are durable, they would still have actual throttle cables, distributors, hard line brakes, and other truly mechanical devices as opposed to electronic / hydraulic counterparts.

 

I think your thoughts on the ingine choices are an even stronger argument for toyota. One of the reasons toyota's are so reliable is because they have a lower power output mated to strong chassis components. Were as the exploder had high power and a weaker chassis.

 

Build quality for most of the modern day yota's is crap. BECAUSE THERE MADE IN THE USA. the big problem trucks are all made here. Tundra sequoia, the siennas too. The new tacoma's are 75% made in america and they already have a big problem with the rear suspension bottoming out.

Good news is the 4runner and FJ are still 100% made in JAPAN.

Interesting side note, From the end of WW2 till 1989 Japan was not aloud to manufacture there own steel, so all there cars were made from recycled american steel.

 

Everything you just said is a total lie and anybody here that has a little history on cars knows this as well. First off the camaro and mustang had an optional V6/V8 if you wanted performance over gas mileage. The rabbit nor truck was even close to the camaro or mustang performance wise.

In the 80's if it werent for the 944, porsche would no longer exist. Its what saved porsche from extinction. In 1988 and 1989 it was faster and better handling than the 911 and I prefer it over the 911 due to its extra seats and its perfect 50/50 weight balance. Also the 911 couldnt out handle the vette in the 80's. The 959 was their super car which could only be compared to the factory callaway corvette in which 3/4 models would blow its doors off while getting better mileage at a fraction of the cost. Point is the 944 was one of their best moves, a porsche purist will tell you that.

In 1969 you could get the corvette for a base price of $4600, for $1000 more you could get the l88 option. It was rated at 430hp although it really put out around 550hp. Depending on what gear ratio you ordered and whether you got a close or wide ratio muncie transmission you could run a top speed of 170mph-200mph and motor trend got one of their test cars to run 10.40's in the 1/4 mile. That bug wouldnt handle speeds like those and even 130mph was considered unsafe. so for 2 grand more Id rather have a car that was faster, better all around, capable of more, and is worth over $200,000 today not 2,000.

If you think it has no right to earn supercar standing you just need to get out of the whole car world right now. Since 1989 the corvette has held the record as the worlds fastest street car at 254mph. Its also holds the world endurance record at 175mph for 24hours, via the 1990 ZR-1. It holds many 1/4 mile street car records as well as lemans records and soo many others id be here all day. As for the Z06 vs the Subaru s204, that subaru is just an sti with an extra 20hp. Its runs the 1/4 in 13.0 and tops out at 157mph. The Z06has already broken the 10 second barrier bone stock, you can find it on you tube. It also has a top speed governed at 198mph. So where the hell are you getting that the subaru is faster?????


Do you realize if the audi quattro gt pulled 1.10 g on the skidpad how known of a sports car it would be? The best it ever pulled was a .89g which is not all that great for an awd car but decent for the time. With its suspension and tires, 1.10g is not physically possible so whoever told you that probably didnt graduate high school. It would have never been posted as a super car with a 0-60 time of 8.0 seconds. In 1989 the corvette could be had for $32,000 and $37,000 for the convertible. The 959 porsche was $225,000 in all the years it was sold so what do you mean by "it was only modestly more expensive than the corvette" ???????????? Get yourself a calculator it was more than 6 times the cost of a vette at best!!!!! Take a look yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959


Quit trying to make a competition of this. All you have done is make up what you wish is the truth and you cannot support any of what you say. I feel as if im getting dumber argueing with you and at this time I cannot compete with you anymore as im beginning to feel dumber. I didnt want to start a war with this but I just happened to have more problems with my toyota that all my other cars. That does not mean I dont like my truck, actually I love it and wouldnt sell it for anything because of the eating grin i have every time I drive it.

 

Todays Corvette deserves super car status, I agree the 80's Corvette was not much to get excited about.

Anyways, isn't this about Toyota quality?

Although the older Toyota vehicles were very boring, simple & to the point, I think the engine & build quality was much better. Yes today's Toyota's are much fancier but I doubt if they will go the distance.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it!

 

Corvettes suck, Supras Rock!!!!
YEA, I said it!
YEA, MMMMMMM, NAH NAH NAH NAH!

LS1=



kind of

 

Agreed they were better quality back in the day, but i dont know im kind of a fan of the 80's and early 90's toyota truck styling. I could care less for the new stuff and what were they thinking with the body on the new tundra?

 

They were thinking, "Ok, what do we have to do to finally get those bass terd Americans to finally consider the Tundra a fullsize......I know lets make the body as huge and bulky and useless as we can!"

 

I know the maro and stang had upper options, but I brought up that the underpower in the 80's came from gas mileage. So I cited that. In came the faster Rabbit with better mileage.

The Audi Sports Quattro GT was a road legal car, with the exact same engine and suspension as the rally car. Audi had to make 5000 of them for homologation rules. The specs your sighting was for the Audi 5000 Coupe. The Audi GT. Similiar..., but missing a cylinder, a huge turbo, all wheel drive, the fat tires, and the race suspension.

And you got the Vette wrong on the top speed. The Bugatti Veyron is the worlds fastest street legal car...253mph, before that it was the Koenigsegg CCXR at 251 before that McLaren F1 at 247, So I'm not sure where the Vette running 253 comes from, even without the limiters the new ZR1 runs just around 200. Nothing to laugh at, but by no means 253... It takes 1001hp to run 253 in even a slippery car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1t6S737Cs
The physics are in that video too if your interested.

 

heres a riddle: whats slower than slow, and sucks more gas than anything? a toyota.

 

i came from a domestic, but before they went to crap. my 1966 chevy C10 treated me as good as my toyota. aside from having to adjust the carburetor every once in awhile, it was great. that truck was as bulletproof as you could get. im half tempted to buy another one....

 

and people BOUGHT THEM! are you shocked? im not.

 

Oh I'll agree there, my old Jeeps never once left me stranded. Had one sieze the motor, and then as if by sheer will, unsieze.
I've had quite a few American cars, anything before 1980. wonderful machines...after 1980...not so much.

 

The only motor i can think of that fitts the bill for that is the 3.0, which was desighned to fit the american market.
It replaced the bamf 22rte cause americans wanted a v6.
Me American and me think more cylinders is better, thats why me drive big v10.

 

so has the troll been banned yet?

 

troll?