olharleyman

OK heres the deal

My 3.0 has 210,000 on it and still running good but I have been told its not worth rebuilding to many problems with them after rebuild plus I would love to get more hp and the money spent on the 3.0 hp is money waisted. S i was thinking of the 3.4 and a friend of mine asked me if I had thought about the SUPRA motor swap. He says that it can be built to 500+ hp and will bolt right up to mt stock drivetrain so I'm wondering if anyone has heard of this or done it and how it compares to the 3.4 swap??? Anything from the brother hood here will be much appreciated

pruney81

The supra motor will bolt up with a different bellhousing or so I've heard

Morphine

Can't realy help you with how it compares to the 3.4 swap but this site has a ton of info on it for you.

http://supracharged.com/

Enjoy some reading.

-=Morphine=-p

ewong

search..

4x4wire has details

I think the Supra bolts to a W series tranny and with a 3.0 you should have an R series tranny.

Marlin makes a 3RZ to R series bell - but the 3RZ is a 4banger. dunno if thats a route you would want to take.

Id look more at the 3.4L...

Supra swap was popular in the late 90's, less so now.

Jonnym

also search 7mge and 7mgte the 't' is turbo version. these motors came out of Cressida's as well as Supra's. The 7M's as compared to the 3.4's - i would go 3.4 - i think there is someone on here named turborunner - he had head gasket problems with his 7M swap.

JamesD

Wouldn't the Supra turbo bellhousings be "R" series trans and the non-turbo for "W" series trans? Couldn't I bolt up a turbo 7mgte bellhousing to a 3vz "R" trans?

James

Bunta Fujiwara

Your idea is interesting. I have considered it myself before. Most swaps as stated before will be 7M-GE or 7M-GTE engines. The 2JZ-GTE from the MkIV Supra is theoretically possible as well, but would require much more extensive work before you could successfully perform the swap. Your best bet if you wanted to go this route is to swap in a 7M. The 7M-GE produces 200 hp at 6000 rpm and 185 lb-lbf. of torque at 4800 rpm (bhp figures). The 7M-GTE has 230 hp at 5600 and 240 lb-lbf. at 4000. Certainly a significant performance gain. The 2JZ-GTE, if you wanted to use it and could afford to put it in, makes 320 hp at 5800 and 315 lb-lbf. torque at 4000 for US spec engines and 338 lb-lbf. at 3600 for Japanese spec engines. 7Ms and 2JZs can be tuned to run with insanely high performance, also. The 7M can take over 500 hp, and the 2JZ over 700. The MkIII Supra Turbo did use the R154 gearbox, a derivative of the R150. NA Supras used the W58. Your 3VZ-E has a long way to go if it's still running good, though. You could get 500k plus easy.

first4runner

the 3.4 can be built up to 900 hp with enough money . I am pretty sure the block itself would be cheaper initially anyways (dont know for sure as I have not priced them yet) I only researched aftermarket buildability. But from my research the 3.4 swap would be mucho easier.

Bunta Fujiwara

900 hp? And still reliable? If so it would be awesome. I suppose it could be, because on average Toyota engines can be taken to 3-5 times their stock output without any trouble whatsoever.

first4runner

In case anyone wants to know where I got that, About.com and I have never actually seen it so you gotta kinda take it at face value. You can never 100% trust the internet, but its gotta work alright if most of the people here if not all who have done it have no complaints.

shaeff

to clear a few things up:

manual tranny's:
N/A 86.5-92 supras used the w58 transmission.

Turbo 87-92 supras used the r154 transmission.

if you have a 3.0, you have the r series transmission. if you have a 22re, you have the w series transmission. (not the same as the supra trans though)

now, if you were to do a 7m swap (whether it be 7mge or GTE), into a 22re equipped truck, you would use the bellhousing from the N/A supra's w58 transmission, and motormounts from an mk2 supra (with a 5m motor), and it will literally bolt right up. (you'll need to shim it a bit)

if you want to put a 7m (ge or gte) in a 3.0 equipped truck, you either have to swap out transmissions for the w56 (22re's tranny), or get a custom bellhousing made, or buy one. (the guy who runs www.supracharged.com makes/sells a hybrid bellhousing to go from the 7m to the r-series truck transmission, as the r154 supra transmission bellhousing will NOT work).

in regards to the headgasket issue- a simple re-torque to 72ft lbs (or better yet, rebuild the motor and machine it for a metal headgasket) and the motor will be nearly bulletproof. i've never had a problem with my 7mgte (in my supra) i'll soon be swapping one into my '94 22re 4x4.

on low boost i'm making over 300rwhp, reliably. (and when i tune it this spring with the new turbo i just put on, i'll have 400+rwhp, reliably)

that's my .02psi

-shaeff

faubrunner64

s/c 3.4L is the route i would go... i would just start saving and picking out some donor parts now and then when yours goes then you will be ready for the swap.

Toyota~Boy

iTrader: (2)

Id just throw a Chevrolet Small Block down in that thing. A buddy of mine just dropped a 327 Down into a 90 toyota supra. Talking about Fun and lots of Horses. I have heard of people dropping the supra engines down into trucks but I have also heard about people having lots of problems with them. I do no you will need a difernt wiring harness. And if i am correct you will need the computer that runs the supra engine. So good luck if you do drop it down in there.

But like i said I would just drop a Chevrolet small block down in it.

mt_goat

I agree, but here's the link anyway:
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/supra/

mt_goat

Here's another link:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363262

Corbit

I was going to do this swap , then when I seen how many problems Rick had it has made me think twice. I have a 88 supra and that thing gets it. Lots of tourque and real good top end , it is a fun car to drive and gets 25 mpg. I may still do the swap if my little 22re gives up.

chimmike

for one thing, use the coding. don't just say supra motor. You talking 1jzgte? 2jzgte? what?

Have any idea how much those motors go for? Then you've got dual turbos to maintain, that means you've gotta keep the filters clean. You've gotta fit a good sized intercooler in there along with a good sized radiator, and gotta make sure it gets proper cooling. Besides the fact that it costs a LOT of money to start modifying the 2jz, from good turbos to manifold to engine management, injectors, etc.

I'm not so sure how strong the auto trans is with the 3vze, either.

go 3.4 and see how you like it. Then if you want more power, add the blower. I think a 3.4 would be plenty for ya in the 2nd gen though. Besides the fact that an inline 6 will never have the torque that the 3.4 does down low and in the midrange which is where we use it most off road.

soarerjzz30

You can pickup a 1jz for less than $1500 complete. I picked one up for my lexus sc for about $1300 shipped. It doesn't cost much to maintain a stock 1jz.

Also, what about the 1uz swap?

chimmike

the 1uz IMO is a great motor for the 4runner chassis. Excellent power, super smooth, lightweight for it's size, and economical.

1jzs are def. cheaper than 2jz's.

Four Runner

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