Starter wont crank after transmission install
02-07-2018, 02:28 PM
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Starter wont crank after transmission install
hey guys just bolted up the trans to my 90 runner 3.0 4x4. Everything is bolted and connected but went to go start it and the starter wont crank and it wont even make a sound. I got a new starter and still nothing. I know there is power going through the red wire to it and the battery is good all the lights turn on and off. I notice when i try to crank it the clock and the radio turn off but nothing else. Im at a loss and i need this thing running for this weekend. Any help is much appreciated thanks!
02-07-2018, 03:41 PM
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02-07-2018, 03:54 PM
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Measure your battery voltage, both with everything off, and with key to start. If first is below 12.5, second below 11.9, assume the battery is not charged.
There is no RED wire in my EWD, so telling us you have power going through it doesn't tell us much. Do you have battery voltage to ground at the large bolt on the starter (stock Black wire)? Do you have battery voltage on the small solenoid wire (B-W) at the starter with key to start?
Why did you replace the starter?
HOW do you know the battery is "good"? (We're not very trusting here.;^)
There is no RED wire in my EWD, so telling us you have power going through it doesn't tell us much. Do you have battery voltage to ground at the large bolt on the starter (stock Black wire)? Do you have battery voltage on the small solenoid wire (B-W) at the starter with key to start?
Why did you replace the starter?
HOW do you know the battery is "good"? (We're not very trusting here.;^)
02-07-2018, 04:08 PM
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Measure your battery voltage, both with everything off, and with key to start. If first is below 12.5, second below 11.9, assume the battery is not charged.
There is no RED wire in my EWD, so telling us you have power going through it doesn't tell us much. Do you have battery voltage to ground at the large bolt on the starter (stock Black wire)? Do you have battery voltage on the small solenoid wire (B-W) at the starter with key to start?
Why did you replace the starter?
HOW do you know the battery is "good"? (We're not very trusting here.;^)
There is no RED wire in my EWD, so telling us you have power going through it doesn't tell us much. Do you have battery voltage to ground at the large bolt on the starter (stock Black wire)? Do you have battery voltage on the small solenoid wire (B-W) at the starter with key to start?
Why did you replace the starter?
HOW do you know the battery is "good"? (We're not very trusting here.;^)
02-07-2018, 04:22 PM
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Do you have battery voltage on the small solenoid wire (B-W) at the starter with key to start?
See?
We pretend like we are right there with you. You should, too
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02-07-2018, 05:03 PM
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Thank you for the uploads. electronics are my downfall unfortunately. Here is the red cable i was talking about.
And here is a pic of my starter wich for some reason looks like it doesnt have one of those connections that yours does.
i connected the red cable onto the stud on the right of the starter in my pic and plugged the starter solenoid cable which is the grey plug on the right of the red cable in my first pic into the black connection on my second pic. i tried to use the volt meter on those connections but wouldn't give a solid reading it was just going wonky on me. that was all i hooked up. battery read 12.6 with no key then turned ignition on and it read 12.4
btw Rad your sig is VERY relevant to this situation lol
And here is a pic of my starter wich for some reason looks like it doesnt have one of those connections that yours does.
i connected the red cable onto the stud on the right of the starter in my pic and plugged the starter solenoid cable which is the grey plug on the right of the red cable in my first pic into the black connection on my second pic. i tried to use the volt meter on those connections but wouldn't give a solid reading it was just going wonky on me. that was all i hooked up. battery read 12.6 with no key then turned ignition on and it read 12.4
btw Rad your sig is VERY relevant to this situation lol
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02-07-2018, 05:10 PM
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Whaaat?
02-07-2018, 05:57 PM
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You absolutely, positively, 1000% sure Everything is bolted and connected?
Did you move or remove a ground strap?
FWIW, I have a tendency to not trust starter bench tests.
02-07-2018, 06:33 PM
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yes it started before putting in the new one. Im 99% sure because im never sure about anything lol. I dont see anything that is not connected and ive been looking. Be honest with you i dont trust them that much either but thats all i could do to my knowledge.
02-07-2018, 09:37 PM
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you should have a big wire and a little wire going to your starter, disconnect the little one, put a test light on it (ground one end and touch the connector with the other end) and have someone turn the ignition key switch to start, does the light come on?
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02-07-2018, 09:43 PM
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Well first things first, you installed that starter wrong. It goes in the truck man not your belly button!!
First insure the plugs to the transmission are secure, they are right there near the starter..
You want to check voltage again. What does it read on the lug (the hoop part that gets attached to the starter) of the starter supply wire, now check on the stud sticking out of the starter (it should read the same). If you get a result that doesn't match what you get directly on the battery posts you have a loose connection.
Pretty sure RAD has or will cover checking the solenoid wire. If not it's probably in his Sig line..
PS, his solenoid wire is unplugged above making it look like a third connection.
First insure the plugs to the transmission are secure, they are right there near the starter..
You want to check voltage again. What does it read on the lug (the hoop part that gets attached to the starter) of the starter supply wire, now check on the stud sticking out of the starter (it should read the same). If you get a result that doesn't match what you get directly on the battery posts you have a loose connection.
Pretty sure RAD has or will cover checking the solenoid wire. If not it's probably in his Sig line..
PS, his solenoid wire is unplugged above making it look like a third connection.
02-07-2018, 11:47 PM
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Why are you trying to hide your starter? I thought you wanted us to see it. And why too small a picture? If it were bigger we can draw arrows, notes, etc to explain to you how and where to do things. (See my signature)
THIS^^^ Sounds like bad battery or bad connections. All connections should be bare, shiny metal tightly against bare, shiny metal. Do it or or you waste your time guessing/suspecting
You swear, you hear, see, feel, smell anything?
And you should really indicate model-year-engine-TRANSMISSION-trim (see my signature).
I'm 99% sure I could not believe either statements above - LOL!
Good test also, like Scope1-3 suggested above^^^.
Connections to the starter are above... (https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116.../#post52389911)
The whole starter assembly also gets ground through the block from thick cable that goes from battery negative to somewhere on the block. (On the 22REliable, it goes on bottom-front-right corner of the block.
You swear, you hear, see, feel, smell anything?
And you should really indicate model-year-engine-TRANSMISSION-trim (see my signature).
Connections to the starter are above... (https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116.../#post52389911)
The whole starter assembly also gets ground through the block from thick cable that goes from battery negative to somewhere on the block. (On the 22REliable, it goes on bottom-front-right corner of the block.
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02-08-2018, 07:02 AM
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Troubleshooting A problem like this with the starter not cranking can lead down some interesting paths. We can describe the engineering of the whole system, issues we have seen in the past etc. or we can start with a step by step method of troubleshooting. Like
#1 you just did tranny work does your motor still turn over if you put a wrench on the crank pulley? If you hear no noise whatsoever when trying to crank the motor this isn't likely to be your issue.
#2 check battery voltage, you have some good... we can discuss load and battery charge if you like or move on to narrow down our possibilities.
#3 check the crank signal at the starter when the key is turned, no voltage leads us to circuit testing/switches/connectors left unplugged, voltage leads to ground/positive cable/battery load or voltage issues.
I haven't seen here where you tell us what transmission you have, important info! auto or stick? Your reference to loosing power for your stereo and clock during cranking makes no difference, it is normal for many of your accessories to only be powered with the key in the run position and shut off when cranking to free up more power to turn the starter.
#1 you just did tranny work does your motor still turn over if you put a wrench on the crank pulley? If you hear no noise whatsoever when trying to crank the motor this isn't likely to be your issue.
#2 check battery voltage, you have some good... we can discuss load and battery charge if you like or move on to narrow down our possibilities.
#3 check the crank signal at the starter when the key is turned, no voltage leads us to circuit testing/switches/connectors left unplugged, voltage leads to ground/positive cable/battery load or voltage issues.
I haven't seen here where you tell us what transmission you have, important info! auto or stick? Your reference to loosing power for your stereo and clock during cranking makes no difference, it is normal for many of your accessories to only be powered with the key in the run position and shut off when cranking to free up more power to turn the starter.
02-08-2018, 12:04 PM
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Well i got her running the linkage was not hooked up right so it was trying to start in the wrong gear. Cycled through the gears and got it to fire immediately. After 4 months she is finally running again. Thank you all for the help and reaponses and mostly for teaching me not to be so damn vague in my posts and explain more thoroughly.
02-08-2018, 01:27 PM
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For the future, PLEASE INCLUDE MODEL-YEAR-ENGINE-TRANSMISSION-TRIM on your signature. (see my signature-
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Automatic transmission swap with R150F
I have done a transmission swap on my 94 Toyota pickup 3.0 4x4 the two black wires have been bridged to trick the neutral safety switch as soon as you turn the key the relay behind the ECU clicks but the starter wont turn over checked the starter relay 12.6v the main lead to the starter 12.6v what am I missing here this electrical is driving me insane hope you can help me thanks
