I really wish I had a receipt but I never received one. I paid with my bank card over the phone (next time I will use a Credit card) but I did however receive my parts back it took 2 mos but I did receive them. My concern or rather complaint is with the workmanship and his complete lack of standing behind his work. I'm not so much even concerned with the price as I was willing to pay that to have the work done, no one twisted my arm but I really wish it had been done right. My situation is not isolated as there is another member of this board that has had EXACTLY the same problem with the same products.


As far as court action goes c'mon this is a board full of do it yourself kinda people. We do it ourselves because we don't have thousands of dollars to pay some one to work on our junk but instead we do the labor ourselves and pay for better parts (well maybe we think they are better) . I don't think any one of us has the resources or time to fight an out of state case for getting taken for $1500 especially people like myself who actually received services but are only questioning the lack of workmanship which can be a Grey area in the eyes of the law. At worst Tim @ DOA racing is a thief at best he is just some schmuck who does a half a$$ed job for a premium price and wont stand behind their work. The latter is not a crime but I want the public to know what they are getting into with him as there are plenty of other reputable alternatives.

 

BRAVO!!!...1500$ would cause my OCD to go into overdrive, I'm thinking a sign and a barrel outside he place of business hehe

 

Ganoid, I believe you bought parts and they didn't work out for you. After you replaced your cams, did you talk to Tim about how the valve issue disappeared after the cams were removed? Did you give him a chance to take care of the issue - or is that when the "too rich" deal came up?

I'm not offering to sue anyone. There was an accusation made that payment was sent to DOA and the money was "stolen" - no parts sent. That's a very serious accusation, but it's also *very* easy to document. I haven't seen any documention on it. I'd offer to facilitate legal action - criminal - not civil. Most people don't know how to do that, but it can be done - even if you're out of the country. It doesn't cost anything but some documentation and knowing who to call. However, if someone sent a check, that check got cashed, it's called "due dilligence" to actually figure out who cashed it.

In regard to civil issues, you can actually take those issues up locally. Because it's an internet transaction, you can pursue civil action in your local county. It's small claims, it doesn't cost a bunch of money, but most judges would require you to provide some proof - the same sort of thing that I'm asking for - such as a diagnosis from a professional shop.

 

I can't speak for our local member but like I said I passed it on. All I can do is tell you what he told me. Considering the amount of complaints outside our local issue its not hard to believe.

 

If the engine is too rich, how are the cylinder temps going to be too high? If anything I thought they would be lower than if the engine runs too lean.

If you set the mixture rich, you're spraying more cool (relative to the temps of the engine) gasoline into the cylinder which is going to cool the cylinder somewhat before it fires. Also being too rich isn't going to burn all of the gasoline, thus not making quit as much heat, right?

I'm not really into all that, but it's the way we keep cylinders cool when we're flying in the dead heat of summer.

 

Spraying too much fuel can wash the cylinder walls and cause a failure there.
I've can't think of any way that being too rich could cause a valve issue.. (I was calling BS on that statement also)

 

The way Ferrea explained the failure to me when the valves were returned for inspection, was than an overfueled engine caused loss of temper. I was told that excessively high cylinder temps were at fault. Face deterioration of the valves, and the tell tale blue discoloring was evident. Same went for the ripping / pitting of the seats. Something you guys need to know is that I don't make valves. If something goes wrong, and say for example there is a head-valve-clearance-failure, I return the affected part to the manufacturer. I respond to the customer with what I'm told. If that sets someone off to the point of going into a site and posting one sided stories, that's what I guess I'll have to deal with.

I think in all fairness, you guys might be curious as to the other side of these claims. And, you might be surprised at what surfaces in the end.

My studs are manufactured in CA. from Shultz tool & machine (Anaheim, CA) they are certified by the steel supplier when the base stock arrives there. I would be more than happy to send a stud to the guy here that states he is a metalurgist, as long as he is a certified metalurgist, and I would be curious to see what he comes up with.

The person claiming bad cams was never questioned as to who installed the cams. It's very clear on the site information what needs to be done regarding the installation. Blaming me for cam issues when I have no part in the installation is not right.

The guy in here blaming his head issues, three times on and off, and now an engine pull did not post the truth, and what he may not be aware of is that his father (Ged) who actually is the one performing all the work on the vehicle (his son is too busy with school) communicated those issues, and the causes, in emails to me ( I have the email where he clearly states the cause of failure # 1 to be bad head gaskets, that he was at fault. Those gaskets were not sourced by me. Failure #2 was his admitted uncalibrated torque wrench. Failure number 3 was compression loss, failed EPN valves, which is what I used after the Ferreas sank.) Now for the record, I get along great with TED, and this is not a hack on his product, but rather what was used in the attempted fix. WHICH BY THE WAY, THIS CUSTOMER WAS NEVER CHARGED FOR, OR THE REPLASCEMENT HEAD HE WAS GIVEN FOR THE ONE HE CRACKED WITH AN ADMITTED BAD INSTALL!!!!!!!!!! That's right, a free head and fix by DOA at no charge to the customer, shame on me for that. Now if a person wants to make a claim of valve job accuracy, feel free to accuse. Ged's machine shop of choice already verified the work as good. Anybody here that would like to see this email, simply email me yourself, no problem with that.

Maxx's issues are beyond my involvement. He is on his 5th engine, not 3rd. His vehicle came with an engine, which was destroyed, number 2 I built, he destroyed, 3&4 were built after mine, boom, and now he is on his 5th. My question is this: 5 motors and the only hate is towards me? I think there's more to this story, and I'd love detail my side. But I'm not going to try to wade through a ton of muck postings in the process. So anyone that would like to read the other side of the coin, please ask.

Something else I'd like to state is this. Because there is a complication that has occurred with something purchased from me, or another vender, because the customer did not get his or her way in the resolve does not make someone a crook. I find it very hard to deal with a guy acting so belligerent there is no room for resolve in his mind, other than to get it his way. It's not how it's going to work. The one thing I noticed about the guys claiming to have been raped here, is that all seem to have a very dramatic posting style, clearly making themselves out to be victims. I offer this, you post your side, allow me to post a response, and I feel confident people will see things in a new light. One at a time, let's do this...............also, I post under this username because I am unallowed to post under DOA.

 

Tim - explain something to me:

You've been tuning motors for a long time. Does running rich result in excessive cylinder temperatures? I know that part of the way Jeff builds big power in his motor is to run *very* rich under WOT and significant boost pressure. Dodge designed the SRT-4 that way also - A/F at 9:1 sometimes, keeps temperatures down and prevents detonation.

Loss of temper is something that could be explained by metalurgy, but I don't get the rich statement... Bad timing, lean - those things I understand.


Maxx, are you really on your 5th motor?
You're still driving that thing and you know you've got at least one very lean spot... I've got nothing against you and I'd certainly be willing to help you integrate VAST with megasquirt on the 3.0, if that's what you choose to do - but I don't see how you can blame DOA for motor failure X when you've had between 3-5 successive engine failures... If you don't tune it right, it can and will fail - especially with high EGTs and lean conditions!

Overally, if you're going to flame or compliment a vendor, please provide full disclosure. Several of you have asked me to pull DOA from my website and I'd be happy to do that as soon as I have factual information. No one offered up any factual information other than screaming "failure"...

There's one accusation of flat fraud.. "passing that along" - if you're going to pass that accusation along, please pass the proof of that accusation along also, because it's trivial to prove if it's true... If it's untrue, it's amazing how no proof is ever provided....

 

Mportpower or Tim...whatever you want to be refered to. As much bad press as people are giving you, I gotta give you props for actually coming out and telling yourside of the story WITHOUT loosing your cool.

 

Smoke and mirrors thief.

Engine 1 went 150,000 miles before headgaskets took it out (leaking headgaskets & pitted cylinder walls), no fault of mine, it’s happened to hundreds of thousands of 3VZE owners.
Engine 2 was built by the scammer. Blew up in under a thousand miles and was nothing but trouble the whole way. Every call to Tim was “nothing wrong there, keep running it” then a rod knock developed. Tim told me he’d take care of it if I shipped it to him, which I did. BEFORE it got there he left a nasty message on my answering machine that I would PAY! Then the crook held the remains hostage for another thousand dollars.
Engine 3 was built here from the remains. The thief had cleaned my pockets and I had no money to throw everything away and start over so we used what we had. It developed a rod knock within 100 miles.
Engine 4. We then used my old block & crank (the one from the headgaskets) and tossed Tim’s block & crank, reusing the rest (again, no money to replace everything.) This engine went 30,000 miles until one of Tim’s pistons cracked.

Should I have thrown out everything form #2 and started with a clean slate? Yes, no question and knowing what I know now I would have, hindsight always being 20/20.
But the scammer had already cleaned me out of over $7000 and I had no more. I did the best I could and followed the advise of the builder here. What more could I do?
It’s complete bull˟˟˟˟ to say: oh, he’s just hard on motors, but that kind of statement is typical DOA/Tim misdirection BS.

The slightly lean spot in this latest build was expected when we did the ceramic coating and bigger valves, it was not there previously. It’s not under a load, but when lifting off. Yes, I’m running it, but not allowing EGT to get hot enough to do any damage (I simply back off when EGT climbs to 1400°F.) Should be a simple matter of one notch richer on the AFM. I did one trip (a tank & a half of fuel) and and backed off when I needed to. I haven’t put a tank of fuel thru it since I got back.

Let’s not even get into the lies Time promised me about 200 RWHP…never anywhere close and never will.

I think this is the most telling statement here, by Tim’s own admission at that:
By Tim’s own admission EVERY board he’s been to hates DOA and Tim. That ought to tell you something right there.


Take it for what you will. Many, many, many people report being scammed by DOA, many people hate DOA and Tim.
If you want to give him your hard earned money, go right ahead, as the saying goes: there’s a sucker born every minute.

You’ve been warned.

 

MonsterMaxx,
I've been frequenting pirate for years, I regularly see posts that prefer DOA to other "large scale" vendors.. Most people know who I'm talking about.

I don't know why your #2 motor failed. Could it have been poor assembly/parts? Sure - absolutely. The fact remains that 4 motors have failed and #5 isn't running right.. Yet, you blame DOA. WTF?


Yes, there are some complaints, but I've read complaints about the large vendor, DOA, and even a few about Ted.. Course, the ones I've seen about Ted have been installer error.. and he still humors them even after they fly off the handle. He's a recent thread where DOA is recommended:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...&highlight=doa

Everyone has an opinion...

Again, associating a failure of a part with DOA.
Tim didn't make those pistons.
Tim didn't design those pistons.
Might ask him, but they're probably the same cast pistons that everyone else uses...
Maybe we should talk about the reasons why pistons crack? Nah.. that'd lead to a discussion about tuning.

Man, I feel for your issue... but have some realistic expectations.

Checking a block, head, rotating assembly, and hardware pre-rebuild are the job of a qualified machinist or someone who knows what they're doing. I do motor builds from "core" because I don't like tearing down the motor that's getting my toyota around town. I know nothing of their history and nothing of their current condition. Sometimes they're not usable - I've had a block with a hairline in the bore that you'd never see in a million years. Cranks out of spec, rods streched.. Pistons...well, I never reuse them. The point is that if the base is bad, a good machinist can figure it out. It's part of the process. You don't ever assume that anything is good in terms of engine parts unless you've checked it. It's part of engine assembly.

Here's a great example of blaming someone else incorrectly:
You said that was the fault of the machinist (non-DOA). You didn't consider the fact that your bearings were ground down and that you're not just grinding bearings when you've got a motor like that. GET some realistic expectations.. you're faulting people that aren't at fault. How do you learn from that?

In the off chance that wearing those bearings down to the shells didn't put a single scratch in your crank, do you think a machinist that doesn't correctly measure a crank is qualified to do *anything* right in your motor?

Continue to run a truck that you know isn't tuned right.. Yea, I know - you've got an EGT gauge.. I hope you're watching it 100% of time time.

Again, I feel for your situaton, but I don't think you're being realistic.
People do jack things up - even professional machinists. You learn what to watch for, what to ask, and what to recheck. Sometimes you learn that you've got to do it yourself to get it right.
After assembling 5 of these motors, you should be an expert!

Again, no hard feelings - I just think the blame part is out of wack due to frustration.

 

I destroyed motors??? You have got to be kidding right?

OK smart boy, let’s see how you and your butt buddy can explain how these are all customer abuse.

1. Head gasket failure. So, you claim the head gasket is customer abuse. You’re going to have to explain this one to everyone. You should get right on this I’m sure Toyota will want to know as well because they spent a few hundred million dollars admitting this was their fault and all along (according to you) it’s the customer’s fault.
2. A new engine develops a rod knock very early in it’s life. I’d like an answer on this one too. How does one go about causing a rod knock in a new truck motor. No really I want to know. Are you going to now claim that I ran it without oil? Because that’s about the only way I can think of, and if you are going to accuse me of that, well then I guess you are even stupider than I’m beginning to think you are. #3 was the same problem, Cheep Chinese low grade parts sold by a engine scammer Tim (the schmuck) Jenkins for a premium price.

I don’t abuse my stuff, I doubt you’ll find anyone who takes better care of their machinery. I simply drive the truck for transportation, 99.9% highway and hauling no more than a bed full of lightweight stuff. I don’t offroad it, I don’t abuse it, in fact, other than these 3VZE motors, in the millions of miles and hours I’ve put on a wide range of motors in my life I’ve never damaged one, not one.
The ONLY time I ever worked my Toyota hard was pulling a 6x12 uhaul aluminum trailer this September, and the result was that one time is one of Tim’s pistons cracked. My fault right? You better call Toyota and tell them to put a disclaimer on all their trucks that the pulling of a 1400lb trailer cannot be done with a Toyota truck, that this will destroy a motor and it’ll be the customer’s fault.
You are right about one thing though, we should have taken all the garbage Tim sold me and thrown it all in the trash.

OH, and I don’t have to watch EGT all the time Mr. KnowItAll, this is very simple, so simple you may not have considered it, the 6 channel EGT I use has a programmable trigger point which I’ve set to 1400°F, if it reaches that it flashes a red light which will draw my attention to the gauge. Simple, no? Now why didn’t you think of that? Oh yea, you assume your butt buddy is in the right and I’m clueless. Wrong again.

And you completely fail to respond to the FACT that Tim the scammer told me to ship it back and he’d take care of it, BUT while still in transit he leaves a message on my answering machine that I’ll pay for this. He’s not even seen the motor and had already decided that he was not warranting it and that I would PAY.

If you and Tim want to get together and circle jerk each other that’s just fine, but to encourage anyone else to spend their hard earned money with that scammer is just wrong.

Oh, and for the record, #5 is running beautifully, a very brightly polished and shiny turd. (Imagine that, no more DOA junk and it runs great.)

 

Maxx, despite your PM and your post above, I'm not interested in getting into a series of personal attacks with you. Take that stuff somewhere else. If you disagree with my opinons, that's fine, but lets be adults about it.

I've fully disclosed my relationship with DOA:
1) I don't get discounts.
2) I've used DOA for a high end head ONCE. I've posted photos of the head and I was provided flow bench results. I'm happy with the head to date.
3) I don't know Tim personally.
4) I've posted - again full disclosure - that I wasn't thrilled that my rocker assembly wasn't correct, but it took me all of 30 seconds to correct it and I did give Tim minor grief.
5) I've used LC, enginbldr, and Ted... All the major vendors. I've built a few motors. Ted has sent me incorrect parts before.. He replaced them w/o question at no charge. LC has hosed entire engine/component designs up for me.. Now I dictate what I want as a result of that experience.

You can try and associate me with DOA all you want, but there is no association outside of what I've outlined above.

I'm simply not interested in 4rd grade name calling:
I never said you abuse your stuff, I don't know where you got that. We'll just cut that tangent off at the pass.

I can't explain your turn key DOA motor failure. I don't justify it.. That's between you and Tim.

I don't think that continuing to blame motor failures on DOA is ethical or fair.

"destroyed motors" = "4 engine failures" - I've changed it above. I thought you had only gone through 3 motors and you didn't correct me.. Tim disclosed that you're on number 5.

I did suggest that you have tuning issues. I'm sorry if that makes you mad and gets you frustrated enough to call names.
You've cracked one piston and have high EGTs (sometimes). You've had 4 engine failures (for whatever reason). You're also running an EGT gauge, which isn't standard equipment. Did you just think it was groovy, or perhaps you might have suspected that something isn't right? Hey, you can say it's running great, but I think you've made your point for me.

And just so we're all CRYSTAL clear, the first failure was a toyota design flaw, all subsequent failures are the direct fault of DOA, and this last motor is finally right, correct? Yea, I find that suspicous. I'd have no comment to you blaming the failure of #2 - the turn key motor on DOA. But attributing 4 motors to the same shop isn't entirely logical considering that DOA built one motor. Nevermind that last crank that you had done somewhere else and still blamed it on that machinist AFTER the bearings were toast.. If you can't see that, maybe further discussion is worthless - I'll give up.


Which is why you were asking me for megasquirt / VAST advice - or should I post those PMs? Decide which way you're going to go on this... No one here (including me) wants your motor to run poorly, or be even slightly out of tune, just be realistic. I'm sorry if you decided that this was some sort of personal attack, that's not the case. Please discontinue sending PMs that are personally insulting. If you want megasquirt advice, I'm happy to let this be bygones..

 

Only dealt with engblder here, so can't comment on any of the other vendors being mentioned. Just following a long here and noticed someone convienently linked us to this thread. Just wondering if Tim would like to comment on what has been discussed and pictured by Ganoid. =)

Im an unbiased observer here with plans to rebuild my 22R into maybe even a 22RE-T. I got a timing kit from engnbldr but thats about it as far as my 22r has gone as far as engine work with me. So this is very interesting read with a cup o' coffee =)

 

I don’t blame 4 motor failures on Tim the thief. I blame ONE. The next TWO deaths I do attribute to the parts Tim sold me. Inferior low quality parts sold at a premium price. Where do you get 4? Simple math problems?

Nor have I had 5 engine deaths. Simple math again, 1 was a headgasket, 2,3,4 = 4 deaths. Still a lot, but I do know what caused them.

Do a little research on ceramic coating everything that sees fire, raising temps at measured exhaust is expected, and it doesn’t even mean the engine parts are seeing these high temps (the ceramic insulates them), it’s quite likely it could take 1500°F now, but I’m being careful.

As to why I’ve got an EGT, well, I’ve got a lot of other crap on this truck that’s not OEM either, do we really what to go down the path of why most everyone here has stuff on their trucks which isn’t OEM?
EGT is a great tuning aid, that’s why it’s there.


I’ve made it no secret that I consider the stock computer to be one of the limitations of the 3VZE design. Closed loop w/ a narrow band O2 and measuring air with a barn door I consider to be a primitive design. The fact that we need to richen the entire system to take care of a lean spot that’s only at one throttle & rpm is pretty telling of these limitations, particularly since it’s in a closed loop mode at the time. A computer that’s tuneable, with a map that can be changed would be a very nice addition to all the other polishing I’ve done to this turd.

Something’s funky with the BBB. He has no complaints in CA, yet I know I submitted one and there were a number of others at the time. Check out NC, they say right on their website that they only go back 36 months, if this is the same in CA, there’s your answer to why there’s none listed.

Tim screwed me, no question there, he did it from 3000 miles away knowing that the legal fees would far exceed anything I could hope to recover and also that he’d already fleeced all my available funds. It’s long past the statute of limitations.

At this point DCG, I have to acknowledge the old proverb that arguing on the internet is like running the special Olympics, even if you win, you’re still a retard. I’m done arguing with you and to be perfectly honest, I don’t care what you do with your $, flush it down the toilet if you are so inclined.
I will never do business with DOA again and am happy to share my experience with others. The fact that so many others come out with similar complaints doesn’t make me feel a lot better, but at least I’m not alone. By Tim’s own admission, every yota board has a long list of people who have had similar experiences.

 

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Well Tim maybe you should pull your head out of your arse and not try to sell your lame knock offs as ARP... Secondarily Ill find that guy with your "ARP" studs, buy one from him and send it into ARP to see what they have to say about the studs...

TRUE studs have their threads ROLLED ON, NOT cut out from a base circle!

 

>>>*Against my better judgement, I feel like I should say a few things since I spotted my name and nickname mentioned here a few times.

I have spoken via email and on the phone with Tim from DOA, and even sold him a few items, not a lot. He has always been pleasant and easy to deal with.

I have also had his workmanship in my hands, a 22RE head ported and set up with nice big valves. I will state flatly that I was impressed, this young man does have talent and as I said at that time, he is good enough to work for me! Workmanship likely better than mine and workmanship my son now tries hard to equal, a simple statement of fact from a professional.

I do not state that lightly.

We do NOT compete, I know he runs a one man shop, I run a 3 person sales operation and my son Tod runs a one man shop. Add up 100% of all that both operations do and it isn't a drop in the bucket of the available market, plus we are seperated by an entire Nation.

All of us have transactions that are less than successful, everything from different levels of skill to simply failure of a part. Items get damaged in transit, on and on.

If unhappy with a supplier, logic says we settle it as best we can and move on to a different one.

I have had fingers pointed at me, I have made mistakes. I have had suppliers deliver defective and misboxed products. It always bothers me until I get the problem fixed, and breaks my heart if I cannot end up with a satisfied customer. A few of you good folks have had me up and online at 3 AM trying to solve a concern.

Perhaps that is a difference?

I will say this: My products compete on racetracks with items from Mr. Jenkins at DOA. His stuff is darned hard to catch! He has a National reputation I don't think I have, not with Toyota. If we go back to my day decades ago then I did, in a much different world. Let's send him a 427 Ford sideoiler and see what happens...*LOL**..

Still, I know enough to say he wants you happy with his products too. Just like me, and others like me.

So I just want to say this man has my respect, for what it is worth from this corner. I know some of you unhappy, it is time to move on. For some of you who feel seriously wronged, there is a legal system for redress if you must. Usually there are no winners, though, in my poor experience.

Let's all take a deep breath, it's far better to post positive if we can and forget the negatives, life is a lot more pleasant that way....*EB

 

Tim it doesn't matter if you parts are made by magical elves at night while you sleep its your product and you are responsible to back it up. Who cares what like your supplier gives you to copp out you need to back up what you sell. If you don't then this is what you get, a bad rep and lost sales.

So basicly your saying you have no idea what it really is you sell? This really builds up my confidence.

Ganoid can defend himself but its pretty clear the issue wasn't tuning it was the cams if only based on the fact that changing them out solved his problem, not to mention a professional who knows what it is he sells and does confirmed it. But hey what do I know right?

For me I will admit I was wrong the local guy paid for an overbored TB not heads. Money aparently still went out and parts never came in. He is not interested in pursuing and has moved on to a v8 so he is happy to no longer worry about it.

All that said can we keep the pirate style flaming down cause it just sux

 

After objectively reading this entire thread it is of my opinion that:
1. DOA sells inferior parts
2. DOA sells inferior motors
3. Somepeople will beat the dead horse over and over and over.
3A. Specially if their product was fine...fishy...