thanks for the cliff notes, saved me 15 minutes...but it would be cool if something like this really worked, but it would be all over CNN if that were the case

 

You would believe it if it was on CNN?

Now there's the funniest thing in this whole thread!

 

CNN bah, I only believe stuff I read on the internet

 

yeah they've only been saying that for 40 years....

 

The Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science

 

Hey Guys,

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...roject-143485/

Thanks, Julius Oppenhiemer

 

how am i saying i would believe it if it was on CNN?...you'd think something like this would be all over the news is what i am saying

 

I'm pretty sure everyone's seen it dude.

I wonder how long before that thread gets shredded as this one has.

I'll stay out of it. I posted my bit, and I'll leave the guy alone.

 

Same here, but he should definitely make a new thread when he tries it out and it doesn't work, so we can all say we told him so.

 

He won't do that though.

My hope is that he doesn't drag too many others into this scam.

 

And so the great scam cycle will begin anew- someone will revive this thread in about a year asking about his results; and when the OP doesn't respond, everyone will just assume it worked and want to make a system themselves.

The reason these scams keep sticking around is because no one documents their results when the thing doesn't work, and the supposed "results" you see all over the net saying they do work are flat out lies.

 

Thats really mature...

 

It'll work, but only if you use it in conjunction with a turbonator!

 

Now you may be on to something!

 

So someone mentioned a while back that running the engine leans causes it to overheat.

I am just curious as to why that happens, if anyone knows i would love an explanation. Thanks

 

Mainly because the gas burning in the cylinder has mass to it, and can absorb energy. The molecules in gasoline and its combustion byproducts absorb more energy than air, so less gas means less energy is absorbed by the gas, which means more is absorbed by the air- resulting in a higher combustion temperature. One of the largest byproducts of gasoline combusting is water, which absorbs lots of heat for relatively small changes in temperature.

This is also why supercharged guys that are tuning their engines might add water/methanol injection. The water absorbs lots of energy, decreasing the tepertures in the cylinder during combustion and exhaust.

 

so theoretically would running steam into the intake when the engine is running lean help keep it cool?

 

It's better to spay a fine mist of water, because water absorbs a lot of energy when it changes from liquid to steam.

None of this is necessary unless you are pushing the engine past its design limits though, like when your supercharge and up the boost to 9psi.

 

Firstly, Hello everyone. Let me give you a little background on myself before you read. I am an engineer and mechanic. I have followed these experiments with HHO for many years now. Although, it is now my belief that the on demand production of HHO in a vehicle is not practical, I have developed an 86.3% efficient system for water electrolysis that produces enough HHO for on demand production to run a 2.0L motor. Now I'm not claiming that this is the most efficient. Here is the problem with on demand. Let’s say the energy required to break the covalent bonds of water for the amount of HHO is approx 474.4 Kj (don't quote me on that). Everything I have done is with tap water and no catalyst; using a catalyst would create additional unwanted byproducts) So here are some basics.

1. The amount of energy put into creating HHO will not yield the same amount of energy directly in HHO. (this is not practical)

2. HHO in a combustion engine is more efficient than standard gas (this is the energy required to convert water to HHO divided by the energy useable in the burning of HHO, 86.3%)

A. However to then take the mechanical energy created by the combustion engine and convert it back to electrical energy results in a loss of 50% efficiency due to the conversion of mechanical to electrical energy.(50% of 86.3% is of course 43.15%, best case)

B. This does not eliminate the need of stored energy, which would need to be replaced by electricity instead of standard fuel.

3. The calculation of the efficiency of standard gas is debatable, due to many grades, engine setups, etc

A. Assuming best scenario of 45% efficiency

4. If using HHO with standard fuel, the increase in efficiency of the fuel combustion will not make up for the loss of efficiency in the electrolysis system.

A. The item that make up the difference in MPG in your scenario is the leaning of fuel.

5.So think of it this way, would you rather have a motor run off of a stored energy of standard fuel, or a stored energy of electricity at a small decrease in efficiency.

6. Also if using an HHO engine with the necessary stored electrical energy at 43.15% efficiency, why not just use an electric motor with 50% efficiency?

7. The only way to have HHO create a worthwhile boost in MPG is to recapture energy lost in friction, collecting solar energy, and then using this energy to produce the HHO.

8. This same process of reclamation can be used toward an electric motor for greater efficiency.

I welcome anyone to challenge this theory, as I would love to be wrong.
I’ve used up a lot of time in my life to come to these simple conclusions. I suppose I was like everyone else before thinking that it had to work, there had to be a way. Well I tried, I gave it my all, but in the end I learned that it was not practical and was rather depressed, I would tell you not to waste your time, but if you’re like me you won’t listen. Have fun, be safe, good luck.

P.S The first internal combustion engine ran off of hydrogen produced from water back in 1805(not a typo)

 

Pretty much what I learned after doing some research on this subject. All of the experiments I found using 'HHO' gas were done on stationary engines using an outside power source to generate the gas.

These guys at MIT used a plasmatron to generate hydrogen, but it runs on 120 - 140 V DC, at 15 - 75A. Good luck finding an alterantor that can put out that much power

http://psfcwww2.psfc.mit.edu/library...ja032_full.pdf